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Of course, I agree. But the lives of drivers on public roads also have value, do they not? Furthermore, let's remember that the felon in question died because h

by coolso 5y ago

Of course, I agree. But the lives of drivers on public roads also have value, do they not? Furthermore, let's remember that the felon in question died because he was an uncooperative, aggressive criminal under the influence of drugs - not, truly, for any of the reasons the rioters purported to be rioting against. Perhaps if fewer people of all races (given that more than double the number of whites are unarmed when killed by police than blacks - about 19 vs 9) were belligerent towards police when apprehended during the commission or suspected commission of a crime, the thin blue line that separates the violent criminals of this world and law abiding citizens like you and I wouldn't be forced into such situations where one misjudgement or slight overreaction here or there could end up in a life or death situation. Fight against brutality of all sorts, sure, but the forced "equality" angle is cringe - and incredibly transparent - and most of the country knows it.

VikingCoder 5y ago
> Furthermore, let's remember that the felon in question died because he was an uncooperative, aggressive criminal under the influence of drugs - not, truly, for any of the reasons the rioters purported to be rioting against. George Floyd died because he was murdered by police officer Derek Chauvin, who was convicted on two counts of murder and one count of manslaughter. The Police Chief testified that Chauvin's actions violated the police department's polices on de-escalation and reasonable use of force. "There is an initial reasonableness in trying to get him under control in the first few seconds, but once there was no longer any resistance, and clearly when Mr. Floyd was no longer responsive and even motionless, to continue to apply that level of force to a person proned out, handcuffed behind their back – that in no way, shape or form is anything that is by policy, is not part of our training and is certainly not part of our ethics or our values." That's why the person in question died. Worse, from the perspective of many, the other officers on the scene did not stop officer Chauvin. Those are, in my opinion, pretty good reasons to protest. Just out of curiosity, do you get that police confrontations in other Western countries are not as violent, not as deadly? Are you aware that police are required to receive far more training in many other Western countries? Is it possible, in your mind, that those two things are related? And while we're talking about how the police are being violent, maybe we should look to see if they are violent as home? [1] > law abiding citizens like you and I I think if we're honest, you would admit that you do not always follow the law. And if you care to admit some of your crimes, we can look up the statistics to see if people of color are more likely to be harassed by the police, arrested, and convicted of those crimes, even if they commit them at the same rate, or lower rate. > Fight against brutality of all sorts, sure, In which ways have you fought against brutality? > the forced "equality" angle is cringe - and incredibly transparent - and most of the country knows it. You would need to be far more exact in your terminology and claims to have this be a topic worthy of anything but my utter scorn. The law should offer equal protection to people. If you want to try to explain yourself more, with some nuance, I'm here. [1] : https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/09/police-officers-who-hit-their-wives-or-girlfriends/380329/ https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/09/police-...

by coolso 5y ago

VikingCoder 5y ago

> Furthermore, let's remember that the felon in question died because he was an uncooperative, aggressive criminal under the influence of drugs - not, truly, for any of the reasons the rioters purported to be rioting against. George Floyd died because he was murdered by police officer Derek Chauvin, who was convicted on two counts of murder and one count of manslaughter. The Police Chief testified that Chauvin's actions violated the police department's polices on de-escalation and reasonable use of force. "There is an initial reasonableness in trying to get him under control in the first few seconds, but once there was no longer any resistance, and clearly when Mr. Floyd was no longer responsive and even motionless, to continue to apply that level of force to a person proned out, handcuffed behind their back – that in no way, shape or form is anything that is by policy, is not part of our training and is certainly not part of our ethics or our values." That's why the person in question died. Worse, from the perspective of many, the other officers on the scene did not stop officer Chauvin. Those are, in my opinion, pretty good reasons to protest. Just out of curiosity, do you get that police confrontations in other Western countries are not as violent, not as deadly? Are you aware that police are required to receive far more training in many other Western countries? Is it possible, in your mind, that those two things are related? And while we're talking about how the police are being violent, maybe we should look to see if they are violent as home? [1] > law abiding citizens like you and I I think if we're honest, you would admit that you do not always follow the law. And if you care to admit some of your crimes, we can look up the statistics to see if people of color are more likely to be harassed by the police, arrested, and convicted of those crimes, even if they commit them at the same rate, or lower rate. > Fight against brutality of all sorts, sure, In which ways have you fought against brutality? > the forced "equality" angle is cringe - and incredibly transparent - and most of the country knows it. You would need to be far more exact in your terminology and claims to have this be a topic worthy of anything but my utter scorn. The law should offer equal protection to people. If you want to try to explain yourself more, with some nuance, I'm here. [1] : https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/09/police-officers-who-hit-their-wives-or-girlfriends/380329/ https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/09/police-...