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> However, I am pretty sure that (while it wasn't always this way) right-wing illiberalism is largely a response to left-wing illiberalism for the last decade o
by dralley 5y ago
> However, I am pretty sure that (while it wasn't always this way) right-wing illiberalism is largely a response to left-wing illiberalism for the last decade or so. The left sets the precedent and the right responds in kind, often with years of delay (although I think the lag time is decreasing quickly).
I strongly disagree with you there. Plenty of the right-wing illiberalism is a direct response to left-wing liberalism, e.g.
* LGBT rights
* Obama being president (including the birther lie, the muslim lie, and general racial reactionary behavior)
* Planned Parenthood
All of these things "swelled the ranks" of increasingly far-right groups long before BLM or "woke" hysteria. The majority of Republicans to this day think that Obama was a Muslim, I don't see how your mental framework explains this.
I do think the two sides feed on one another, in general. I just don't think that broadly blaming the left for the existence of the illiberal right makes any sense at all.
- throwaway894345 5y agoTrump supporters are pretty accepting of gay marriage, and millions of Trump voters in 2016 were Obama voters in 2008 and 2012. Planned parenthood had been around (and little changed) for decades before any swelling of far-right ranks occurred. The right had always been somewhat illiberal, but they had been kept in check by principled liberals and progressives. When right-wing racists was the norm in the 60s (and earlier), liberal colorblind antiracism overcame. When the right tried to censor ideas in the 70s and 80s, liberal free-speech ideals changed the landscape. Liberalism effectively moderated right-wing racism for decades, and nothing significantly changed in right-wing illiberalism which could explain left-wing illiberalism.