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I didn't use death rate for supporting closing and I won't use death rate for supporting opening. Covid's main threats for most people are: * Filling up hospi

I didn't use death rate for supporting closing and I won't use death rate for supporting opening. Covid's main threats for most people are: * Filling up hospitals to the point they stop functioning (that's been true here in Canada). * Putting 10% ~ 20% of workers everywhere, including hospitals, out of commission for weeks at a time while they're acutely sick with Covid or infectious to others. * Disabling some large % of people temporarily or permanently due to lingering symptoms of the virus. The death rate for covid is significant but not substantial enough in itself to cause the world to lock down. The points above though, are.

endisneigh 5y ago
> The death rate for covid is significant but not substantial enough in itself to cause the world to lock down. The points above though, are. For USA the death rate is still higher than times when we were not RTO.
- 30367286 5y ago
  The people dying of COVID and the people working from home are different cohorts. We have a vaccine, anti-virals, and natural immunity. Will the WFH cohort see an increase in deaths due to RTO? Certainly. We’ll also see more car accidents. The world has never been free of risk, and we are now emerging from the pandemic with a newly integrated risk model for this disease. It’s going to be touch and go for a while — years — but it’s important to remember that flattening the curve was always the goal. COVID Zero was never in play.
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    > The people dying of COVID and the people working from home are different cohorts. We have a vaccine, anti-virals, and natural immunity Well, yes. The people dying were always generally unvaccinated.
majormajor 5y ago
> * Putting 10% ~ 20% of workers everywhere, including hospitals, out of commission for weeks at a time while they're acutely sick with Covid or infectious to others. This one seems like a dubious point to me, services during the early-2020 lockdowns were much more impacted than they were during the Omicron spike which saw much less enforced lockdown but much more "shit, all our employees are sick" closures. Completely agree with the hospitalization concerns, and I would add that the calculations also changed a lot re: protecting others after widespread vaccine availability.
- freyr 5y ago
  The underlying assumption seems to be that future waves will be mild because Omicron was mild, either intrinsically or due to improved immunity. I hope it’s the case, but time will tell if this is true. Alternatively, they’re planning to more reactively bring us into the office when we’re in a lull and have us WFH when we’re in a wave.

endisneigh 5y ago

> The death rate for covid is significant but not substantial enough in itself to cause the world to lock down. The points above though, are. For USA the death rate is still higher than times when we were not RTO.

30367286 5y ago
The people dying of COVID and the people working from home are different cohorts. We have a vaccine, anti-virals, and natural immunity. Will the WFH cohort see an increase in deaths due to RTO? Certainly. We’ll also see more car accidents. The world has never been free of risk, and we are now emerging from the pandemic with a newly integrated risk model for this disease. It’s going to be touch and go for a while — years — but it’s important to remember that flattening the curve was always the goal. COVID Zero was never in play.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  > The people dying of COVID and the people working from home are different cohorts. We have a vaccine, anti-virals, and natural immunity Well, yes. The people dying were always generally unvaccinated.

majormajor 5y ago

> * Putting 10% ~ 20% of workers everywhere, including hospitals, out of commission for weeks at a time while they're acutely sick with Covid or infectious to others. This one seems like a dubious point to me, services during the early-2020 lockdowns were much more impacted than they were during the Omicron spike which saw much less enforced lockdown but much more "shit, all our employees are sick" closures. Completely agree with the hospitalization concerns, and I would add that the calculations also changed a lot re: protecting others after widespread vaccine availability.

freyr 5y ago
The underlying assumption seems to be that future waves will be mild because Omicron was mild, either intrinsically or due to improved immunity. I hope it’s the case, but time will tell if this is true. Alternatively, they’re planning to more reactively bring us into the office when we’re in a lull and have us WFH when we’re in a wave.