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Completely disingenuous. This is about the US intelligence apparatus being used against domestic dissidents. Saying "well yeah but there are also domestic diss

Completely disingenuous. This is about the US intelligence apparatus being used against domestic dissidents. Saying "well yeah but there are also domestic dissidents" misses the point entirely

mistrial9 5y ago
well as a USA citizen, from multiple generations of supporting a plurality of views, it is distressing to see the worst behavior of police and FBI, commented upon as if "that is the way the USA is!" .. and strictly from a word-meaning point of view "disingenuous" means I am trying to deceive or knowingly making false statements, which is not the case at all.. we are likely to agree on several points here.. hard to make comments that do not have enough disclaimers, on these large topics
- etchalon 5y ago
  I mean, if our FBI and police have consistently behaved a certain way than that is literally "the way it is the USA".
- getcrunk 5y ago
  When it comes to issues of life and death or liberty, we should use the worse case as the measure. For example: oh this medical intervention kills people 15% of the time. No matter what that can never be understated.
- newbie789 5y ago
- tylersmith 5y ago
  That absolutely is the way the United States is, time and time again. That fact that many of us people aren't malicious doesn't change that.
JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> this is about the US intelligence apparatus being used against domestic dissidents This article is about local police surveillance. Not the U.S. intelligence apparatus.
- sjg007 5y ago
  The FBI is/was involved as were the fusion centers which were originally setup as part of a joint taskforce to combat terrorism. The fusion centers were developed to integrate US intelligence with local policing.
- KennyBlanken 5y ago
  NYPD, a "local" city police department, has a huge terrorism counterintelligence department, one that surveils internationally and duplicates a lot of the federal intelligence infrastructure.
  - ncmncm 5y ago
    And even has its own "black site" in NE Manhattan.
meatsauce 5y ago

Completely disingenuous. This is about the US intelligence apparatus being used against domestic dissidents. Saying "well yeah but there are also domestic dissidents" misses the point entirely

mistrial9 5y ago

well as a USA citizen, from multiple generations of supporting a plurality of views, it is distressing to see the worst behavior of police and FBI, commented upon as if "that is the way the USA is!" .. and strictly from a word-meaning point of view "disingenuous" means I am trying to deceive or knowingly making false statements, which is not the case at all.. we are likely to agree on several points here.. hard to make comments that do not have enough disclaimers, on these large topics

etchalon 5y ago
I mean, if our FBI and police have consistently behaved a certain way than that is literally "the way it is the USA".
getcrunk 5y ago
When it comes to issues of life and death or liberty, we should use the worse case as the measure. For example: oh this medical intervention kills people 15% of the time. No matter what that can never be understated.
newbie789 5y ago
tylersmith 5y ago
That absolutely is the way the United States is, time and time again. That fact that many of us people aren't malicious doesn't change that.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

> this is about the US intelligence apparatus being used against domestic dissidents This article is about local police surveillance. Not the U.S. intelligence apparatus.

sjg007 5y ago
The FBI is/was involved as were the fusion centers which were originally setup as part of a joint taskforce to combat terrorism. The fusion centers were developed to integrate US intelligence with local policing.
KennyBlanken 5y ago
NYPD, a "local" city police department, has a huge terrorism counterintelligence department, one that surveils internationally and duplicates a lot of the federal intelligence infrastructure.
- ncmncm 5y ago
  And even has its own "black site" in NE Manhattan.

meatsauce 5y ago