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It is not stealing from the user, it is brave stealing from the website. Brave takes revenue that would have gone to the website. If you Adblock/etc that reven

by soared 5y ago

It is not stealing from the user, it is brave stealing from the website. Brave takes revenue that would have gone to the website. If you Adblock/etc that revenue is never generated. If you use brave, the revenue is generated and stolen by brave.

prepend 5y ago
That’s not stealing. Again, all my examples are me avoiding ads, is that stealing? Why would an AR goggle replacing IRL ads with their own be stealing? If I run a pi-hole on my network, am I stealing from all the advertisers I block? What if I charge $1 for access to that network? Am I stealing $1 because the ads are never shown and I show an ad asking for $1. Are people who sell pi-holes stealing? I think that any moral expectation of people sending data to me, on my devices is comically wrong. If advertisers want to force ads then give out hardware that they control. I won’t take it, but maybe some will.
- soared 5y ago
  None of your examples are stealing, I am agreeing with you. Ad blocking is not stealing. Replacing ads that would pay the publisher, but now instead pay somebody else is stealing.
  - skaul 5y ago
    (disclaimer: I work for Brave) Just to be clear, no ads are "replaced" when a user opts-in to seeing Brave ads. Ads and trackers are blocked on all websites by default when you use Brave. IF a user opts-in to viewing Brave ads, THEN they see the ads as notifications that are in Brave's ad inventory and that line up with their interests. This ad matching to users' interests is all done on-device - Brave or advertisers never learn anything about which ad a user saw or what their interests are. This is core to the privacy model of Brave ads. You can read more here: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Security-and-privacy-model-for-ad-confirmations https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Security-and-pri...

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It is not stealing from the user, it is brave stealing from the website. Brave takes revenue that would have gone to the website. If you Adblock/etc that reven

by soared 5y ago

prepend 5y ago
That’s not stealing. Again, all my examples are me avoiding ads, is that stealing? Why would an AR goggle replacing IRL ads with their own be stealing? If I run a pi-hole on my network, am I stealing from all the advertisers I block? What if I charge $1 for access to that network? Am I stealing $1 because the ads are never shown and I show an ad asking for $1. Are people who sell pi-holes stealing? I think that any moral expectation of people sending data to me, on my devices is comically wrong. If advertisers want to force ads then give out hardware that they control. I won’t take it, but maybe some will.
- soared 5y ago
  None of your examples are stealing, I am agreeing with you. Ad blocking is not stealing. Replacing ads that would pay the publisher, but now instead pay somebody else is stealing.
  - skaul 5y ago
    (disclaimer: I work for Brave) Just to be clear, no ads are "replaced" when a user opts-in to seeing Brave ads. Ads and trackers are blocked on all websites by default when you use Brave. IF a user opts-in to viewing Brave ads, THEN they see the ads as notifications that are in Brave's ad inventory and that line up with their interests. This ad matching to users' interests is all done on-device - Brave or advertisers never learn anything about which ad a user saw or what their interests are. This is core to the privacy model of Brave ads. You can read more here: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Security-and-privacy-model-for-ad-confirmations https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Security-and-pri...