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I was confused about this. I presumed Antonov Airlines was a Russian airline, so I was wondering why the Russians would destroy their own planes. But Antonov
by verisimi 5y ago
I was confused about this.
I presumed Antonov Airlines was a Russian airline, so I was wondering why the Russians would destroy their own planes.
But Antonov Airlines is a Ukrainian company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_Airlines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_Airlines
The plane was designed in Soviet (Russian) Ukraine (ie before 1991) to carry the Soviet (Russian) space shuttle.
edited to say Soviet, not Russian
- supreme_berry 5y agoWhat is Russian Ukraine? How old are you?
- rootusrootus 5y agoTo be fair, it was pretty common to refer to the Soviets as Russians, even if not strictly accurate. Though I don't think I'd ever phrase it as Russian Ukraine if I were writing it out.
- maw 5y agoPretty sure verisimi meant to say "Soviet Ukraine".
- verisimi 5y agoThat would be fine too - probably better
- verisimi 5y agoBefore Ukraine became an independent country in 1991, it was part of the USSR. The plane and space shuttle etc were part of the USSR. I'm using the term 'Russian Ukraine' because it describes the fact that it was part of the USSR when created. Its not my own term - I read this earlier today, and I think it indicates the placement in time accurately. Do you object to the term 'Russian Ukraine'? And what does my age have to do with it? How old are you? Edited to say - 'Soviet Ukraine' is probably an even better term.
- mrcheesebreeze 5y agoukraine was pretty much always at least partially owned by russia. One of the first centralized slavic states were the kieven rus. russia and ukraine are tied and its not offensive or wrong to say something like "russian ukraine"
- gambiting 5y agoIf by "pretty much always" you want to completely ignore the period where large part of it used to be Polish, then sure. Pretty much always.
- TedDoesntTalk 5y agoThe entire western section of Ukraine was Polish before WW2.
- MomoXenosaga 5y agoDon't forget the Mongols. I believe they were around for a few centuries. This is the reason why we should never redraw lines on a map over historical claims. It gets messy fast.
- p_l 5y agoWell, "Kievan Rus" was Ukraine centric state, as the name says. Moscow, and future tsarist Imperial Russia, happened much later
- Etherlord87 5y ago
- wazoox 5y agoThe Eastern part of Ukraine used to be called "little Russia" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Russia); https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Russia); just like eastern Belarus was simply "White Russia". That's also why from 1721 the Czar was called "Emperor of all the Russias".
- sorokod 5y agoBelarus means white russia by itself.
- qiskit 5y agoInteresting fact I learned a while back. Belarus is named white russia because mongols used color based cardinal directions ( gold = center, white = west, black = north, red = south, blue = east ). So white russia means west russia ( west of russia ). Red and black ruthenia means south ruthenia and north ruthenia. White, gold and blue hordes, you get the idea. If you ever wonder what made white russians white as opposed to other russians, not you know. For the longest time, I thought it was because it snowed more in belarus.
- yardie 5y agoThe Russian space program isn't even in Russia. Baikonur Cosmodrome is in Kazakhstan. So you can see these countries hold a very high strategic value to Russia. The ghosts of the Soviet Union are still haunting us to this day.
- pcardoso 5y agoThere is a new launch site within Russia. https://spacenews.com/the-long-road-to-vostochny-inside-russias-newest-launch-facility/ https://spacenews.com/the-long-road-to-vostochny-inside-russ...
- yardie 5y agoI new they were building a new cosmodrome I hadn't heard much about it. Most of their launches are still from Baikonor, but I could be mistaken.
- masklinn 5y agoAntonov wasn’t even an airline originally it was a design bureau, the airline was set up to handle chartering of 124s, and later the restored 225.