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We had Yugoslavia, for southern Slavic people. Didn’t work out.

wheelerof4te 5y ago
It did not work out because the binding ideology wasn't pan-slavism, but rather bad mix of communism and socialism. Also, instead of returning to our root slavic religion, we got atheism. Without any form of religion, people can not feel that deep bond. Especially Slavic people, who are naturaly very religious. Yugoslavia was a mistake, but not for reasons you might think.
- zozbot234 5y ago
  I'm pretty sure that "returning to the root Slavic religion" would involve offering massive cow sacrifices to the thunder god Perun in exchange for long life and prosperity. Not sure if that's what you had in mind, though!
  - asta123 5y ago
    There were decentralized Christian-like religions like Bogomils (Cathars in Western Europe) in south Slavic parts before modern centralized religions. Maybe those would work better with Slavs who seem to not organize well around centralized sources of power.
  - wheelerof4te 5y ago
    Many of us offer sacrifices today, too. In most Slavic countries, it is customary to slay and eat a pig on certain holidays, like Christmas and our Slava. In the US you kill turkeys for Thanksgiving. How different is that compared to other "sacrifices"?
    - emteycz 5y ago
      We do it for the fun and food, not for some pseudo gods.
      - wheelerof4te 5y ago
        We can do it for both. Why not? Perun is a "pseudo" God, as much as Zeus was a pseudo God. And if they are pseudo gods, then Jesus Christ is a pseudo God, too. Gods exist as long as people believe in them.
        bobthechef 5y ago
        emteycz 5y ago
        Because we mostly don't like gods, at least here in CZ.
      - AeroNotix 5y ago
        You can colour it any way that you like. Many Americans would likely baulk at the idea of a turkey-less Thanksgiving. It is a central theme of the holiday. What else is it, if not a sacrifice?
        emteycz 5y ago
        It's food and fun, not sacrifice.
    - tasha0663 5y ago
      Sadly, we don't offer our turkey up to any thunder god. It's even traditional for presidents and governors to pardon a turkey. Blasphemy!
    - bobthechef 5y ago
- emptyfile 5y ago
  >Also, instead of returning to our root slavic religion, we got atheism This reads like 4chan-level trolling
  - wheelerof4te 5y ago
    I assure you, it is not. Many Slavs feel the same.
- int_19h 5y ago
  Yugoslavia pre-1945 had nothing to do with communism and socialism - it was created explicitly as a pan-South Slavic state. It ended up being dominated by Serbia, though.

It did not work out because the binding ideology wasn't pan-slavism, but rather bad mix of communism and socialism. Also, instead of returning to our root slavic religion, we got atheism. Without any form of religion, people can not feel that deep bond. Especially Slavic people, who are naturaly very religious. Yugoslavia was a mistake, but not for reasons you might think.

zozbot234 5y ago
I'm pretty sure that "returning to the root Slavic religion" would involve offering massive cow sacrifices to the thunder god Perun in exchange for long life and prosperity. Not sure if that's what you had in mind, though!
- asta123 5y ago
  There were decentralized Christian-like religions like Bogomils (Cathars in Western Europe) in south Slavic parts before modern centralized religions. Maybe those would work better with Slavs who seem to not organize well around centralized sources of power.
- wheelerof4te 5y ago
  Many of us offer sacrifices today, too. In most Slavic countries, it is customary to slay and eat a pig on certain holidays, like Christmas and our Slava. In the US you kill turkeys for Thanksgiving. How different is that compared to other "sacrifices"?
  - emteycz 5y ago
    We do it for the fun and food, not for some pseudo gods.
    - wheelerof4te 5y ago
      We can do it for both. Why not? Perun is a "pseudo" God, as much as Zeus was a pseudo God. And if they are pseudo gods, then Jesus Christ is a pseudo God, too. Gods exist as long as people believe in them.
      - bobthechef 5y ago
      - emteycz 5y ago
        Because we mostly don't like gods, at least here in CZ.
    - AeroNotix 5y ago
      You can colour it any way that you like. Many Americans would likely baulk at the idea of a turkey-less Thanksgiving. It is a central theme of the holiday. What else is it, if not a sacrifice?
      - emteycz 5y ago
        It's food and fun, not sacrifice.
  - tasha0663 5y ago
    Sadly, we don't offer our turkey up to any thunder god. It's even traditional for presidents and governors to pardon a turkey. Blasphemy!
  - bobthechef 5y ago
emptyfile 5y ago
>Also, instead of returning to our root slavic religion, we got atheism This reads like 4chan-level trolling
- wheelerof4te 5y ago
  I assure you, it is not. Many Slavs feel the same.
int_19h 5y ago
Yugoslavia pre-1945 had nothing to do with communism and socialism - it was created explicitly as a pan-South Slavic state. It ended up being dominated by Serbia, though.