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You would allow hardware DRM in your box just to allow Nvidia to "revoke" ownership of your card when you use it "incorrectly". Yeah I'll pass.

Mindwipe 5y ago
I can see why it's attractive when the alternative is no card at all.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  The alternative is not "no card" it's "don't buy a top of the line card" Every expensive product with potential commercial use has this situation. Anything you can easily make money with has a price that reflects it. People who want stuff for limited use cannot justify those kinds of prices so they have to buy older stuff, lesser stuff or stuff that needs effort/time dumped in in order to work.
  - tsss 5y ago
    The alternative _is_ no card. Even 5 year old cards are twice the MSRP if you can get them.
- oarsinsync 5y ago
  Short term thinking can often appear to be attractive in the short term. It's the long term implications that get you, and by then it's too late.
  - danaris 5y ago
    Allowing/supporting crypto mining is short-term thinking. It's a bunch of wealthy people burning absurd amounts of fossil fuels solely for the purpose of making themselves wealthier. There is no benefit to society from allowing this.
    - icejjfish 5y ago
      They’re not merely making themselves wealthier - they’re providing a service. How is this different from an airline or any other user of fossil fuel?
      - bart_spoon 5y ago
        Because the service as it stands is of dubious (or negative) worth. So far its main uses are enabling illegal activity and MLM-style get rich quick schemes. For all of the hubbub about the crypto-revolution, we are over a decade in and 99% of its use falls into those two categories.
        Consultant32452 5y ago
        I was sympathetic to that view right up until the Canadian government froze the bank accounts of the truckers. Now I'm openly supportive of the activities the regimes don't like in crypto.
      - antifa 5y ago
        > they’re providing a service Doubling the price of GPUs is a pretty bad service.
    - matheusmoreira 5y ago
      > There is no benefit to society from allowing this. Sure there is. We get a financial system that's independent of banks and governments. I don't care how much energy it consumes, that's a worthy goal. Also, it's not even 1% of global energy consumption and even that calculation is based on rather questionable assumptions like "energy usage is proportional to bitcoin price". If you want to stop the burning of fossil fuels, what you need to do is advocate against trade with not only China but also all western countries whose luxurious lifestyles are literally dependent on such wasteful use of resources. Gotta level heavy economic sanctions against all the highly polluting developed nations until they put a stop to it.
      - 5y ago
  - bart_spoon 5y ago
    At what point does short term become long term? Crypto mining has been an issue for people looking to obtain GPUs going back to at least 2016, which is when I built my first PC, and its only gotten worse and worse as time has gone on.
    - rhn_mk1 5y ago
      When it spills over and becomes a common practice beyond the scope of the original problem?
throw10920 5y ago
The parent comment makes no mention of giving Nvidia control over the GPU. You know you can have remote access features that are solely under your control, right? That's how SSH works. You should read comments before you reply to them.
- zelon88 5y ago
  > I'd buy a card that could be remotely disabled when usage patterns matched crypto mining... What does LHR and SSH have in common? How does 3rd party LHR make any sense.
- mattwilsonn888 5y ago
  This is so painfully pedantic and obviously not what the original commenter meant. What point would a remote killswitch have to deter crypto miners if the owner of the card (the crypto miner) fully controlled it as you imply. Use your head.
- fomine3 5y ago
  You may feel you own Windows.

Mindwipe 5y ago

I can see why it's attractive when the alternative is no card at all.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
The alternative is not "no card" it's "don't buy a top of the line card" Every expensive product with potential commercial use has this situation. Anything you can easily make money with has a price that reflects it. People who want stuff for limited use cannot justify those kinds of prices so they have to buy older stuff, lesser stuff or stuff that needs effort/time dumped in in order to work.
- tsss 5y ago
  The alternative _is_ no card. Even 5 year old cards are twice the MSRP if you can get them.
oarsinsync 5y ago
Short term thinking can often appear to be attractive in the short term. It's the long term implications that get you, and by then it's too late.
- danaris 5y ago
  Allowing/supporting crypto mining is short-term thinking. It's a bunch of wealthy people burning absurd amounts of fossil fuels solely for the purpose of making themselves wealthier. There is no benefit to society from allowing this.
  - icejjfish 5y ago
    They’re not merely making themselves wealthier - they’re providing a service. How is this different from an airline or any other user of fossil fuel?
    - bart_spoon 5y ago
      Because the service as it stands is of dubious (or negative) worth. So far its main uses are enabling illegal activity and MLM-style get rich quick schemes. For all of the hubbub about the crypto-revolution, we are over a decade in and 99% of its use falls into those two categories.
      - Consultant32452 5y ago
        I was sympathetic to that view right up until the Canadian government froze the bank accounts of the truckers. Now I'm openly supportive of the activities the regimes don't like in crypto.
    - antifa 5y ago
      > they’re providing a service Doubling the price of GPUs is a pretty bad service.
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    > There is no benefit to society from allowing this. Sure there is. We get a financial system that's independent of banks and governments. I don't care how much energy it consumes, that's a worthy goal. Also, it's not even 1% of global energy consumption and even that calculation is based on rather questionable assumptions like "energy usage is proportional to bitcoin price". If you want to stop the burning of fossil fuels, what you need to do is advocate against trade with not only China but also all western countries whose luxurious lifestyles are literally dependent on such wasteful use of resources. Gotta level heavy economic sanctions against all the highly polluting developed nations until they put a stop to it.
    - 5y ago
- bart_spoon 5y ago
  At what point does short term become long term? Crypto mining has been an issue for people looking to obtain GPUs going back to at least 2016, which is when I built my first PC, and its only gotten worse and worse as time has gone on.
  - rhn_mk1 5y ago
    When it spills over and becomes a common practice beyond the scope of the original problem?

throw10920 5y ago

The parent comment makes no mention of giving Nvidia control over the GPU. You know you can have remote access features that are solely under your control, right? That's how SSH works. You should read comments before you reply to them.

zelon88 5y ago
> I'd buy a card that could be remotely disabled when usage patterns matched crypto mining... What does LHR and SSH have in common? How does 3rd party LHR make any sense.
mattwilsonn888 5y ago
This is so painfully pedantic and obviously not what the original commenter meant. What point would a remote killswitch have to deter crypto miners if the owner of the card (the crypto miner) fully controlled it as you imply. Use your head.
fomine3 5y ago
You may feel you own Windows.