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Ah, good to see it here. Needs the signal boost. I was on the fence on donating in the first days of the conflict, but when I saw this it firmly pushed me over

Ah, good to see it here. Needs the signal boost. I was on the fence on donating in the first days of the conflict, but when I saw this it firmly pushed me over the edge. We've been using leaflet for free in our product for quite some time, and I think it would be a dick move to ignore this plea in the current context.

yrgulation 5y ago
so the loss of a product makes you want to donate but loss of life puts you on the fence. Wondering how’d make you feel if say, Romanians had to flee and no one would care since there isnt much made in romania.
- drops 5y ago
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- sva_ 5y ago
  People feel more responsible when they're personally involved. Doesn't seem very surprising to me (this isn't a value judgement.) It has nothing to do with "loss of a product", it is about supporting an individual. That's a straw man you constructed.
- paganel 5y ago
  I'm not the donation type myself but I think in this instance you chose your target wrong, as us, Romanians (I'm from Romania myself) have genuinely really tried to help our Ukrainian neighbours in these very dark times for them. I'm not going to give links to news stories, google is your friend for that, is enough to say that many of us, Romanians, were very pleasantly surprised ourselves of the whole thing, we're generally a little on the nihilistic side, so in a way that was also good for our national psyche. Back to your question, and I can only answer for myself, yes, I would expect pretty much the same reaction and help that we gave to the Ukrainians from our neighbours if all this had happened to us, no matter if they're Bulgarians, Serbs or Hungarians.
  - mourner 5y ago
    Romanian support is felt immensely. Thank you!
    - yrgulation 5y ago
      See my reply for context. Appears like some are riding the pr wave while not actually contributing. And that ticks me off. We can do more. Stay safe!
  - yrgulation 5y ago
    I am a native of romania, gave up my citizenship for obvious reasons. Regular citizens have indeed stepped in. However, the government actively discourages arrivals from ukraine, and while the prime minister claimed they made preparations for half a million ukranians, that has proven to be false [1]. In effect, its mainly those of us that donated that helped ukranians, because tax payers money surely didnt. The reason i chose romania while not directly stating that op is from that country, at least by user name, is because i didnt want it to turn into a personal thing. I find it appalling that some will show ignorance, considering that romania is essentially financed by the western world. Even during this conflict romania’s only defense is nato, because the country lacks a proper army. We all know why and we all know that wont change. The expectation being that they (nato, us, eu) will “come and do it for us” and i simply dont share that mindset. Having said that, some in romania have contributed to the country’s neighbour aid, while some simply dont care. But they do have a sense of entitlement. For instance, I am not entirely sure why you’d expect help from your neighbours given the above. Romania needs to be able to defend on its own and help those in need on its own before expecting handouts from pretty much everyone else, and now is the time to do it. 1. https://romania.europalibera.org/amp/31720871.html https://romania.europalibera.org/amp/31720871.html Edit: grammar and all sorts. Bored of explaining fellow romanians that contributing to refugees is a duty and not an option. Romania is on the eternal receiving side and sometimes we have to contribute as well. Government wont, thus its up to regular folk. Glad that op and paganel are happy to rip the PR benefits from those that did contribute to this crisis.
    - paganel 5y ago
- radu_floricica 5y ago
  Uh... didn't even think about loss of product. What moved me was debt already incurred.
mourner 5y ago
Thank you so much for your support! Every little donation or even retweet helps.

yrgulation 5y ago

so the loss of a product makes you want to donate but loss of life puts you on the fence. Wondering how’d make you feel if say, Romanians had to flee and no one would care since there isnt much made in romania.

drops 5y ago
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sva_ 5y ago
People feel more responsible when they're personally involved. Doesn't seem very surprising to me (this isn't a value judgement.) It has nothing to do with "loss of a product", it is about supporting an individual. That's a straw man you constructed.
paganel 5y ago
I'm not the donation type myself but I think in this instance you chose your target wrong, as us, Romanians (I'm from Romania myself) have genuinely really tried to help our Ukrainian neighbours in these very dark times for them. I'm not going to give links to news stories, google is your friend for that, is enough to say that many of us, Romanians, were very pleasantly surprised ourselves of the whole thing, we're generally a little on the nihilistic side, so in a way that was also good for our national psyche. Back to your question, and I can only answer for myself, yes, I would expect pretty much the same reaction and help that we gave to the Ukrainians from our neighbours if all this had happened to us, no matter if they're Bulgarians, Serbs or Hungarians.
- mourner 5y ago
  Romanian support is felt immensely. Thank you!
  - yrgulation 5y ago
    See my reply for context. Appears like some are riding the pr wave while not actually contributing. And that ticks me off. We can do more. Stay safe!
- yrgulation 5y ago
  I am a native of romania, gave up my citizenship for obvious reasons. Regular citizens have indeed stepped in. However, the government actively discourages arrivals from ukraine, and while the prime minister claimed they made preparations for half a million ukranians, that has proven to be false [1]. In effect, its mainly those of us that donated that helped ukranians, because tax payers money surely didnt. The reason i chose romania while not directly stating that op is from that country, at least by user name, is because i didnt want it to turn into a personal thing. I find it appalling that some will show ignorance, considering that romania is essentially financed by the western world. Even during this conflict romania’s only defense is nato, because the country lacks a proper army. We all know why and we all know that wont change. The expectation being that they (nato, us, eu) will “come and do it for us” and i simply dont share that mindset. Having said that, some in romania have contributed to the country’s neighbour aid, while some simply dont care. But they do have a sense of entitlement. For instance, I am not entirely sure why you’d expect help from your neighbours given the above. Romania needs to be able to defend on its own and help those in need on its own before expecting handouts from pretty much everyone else, and now is the time to do it. 1. https://romania.europalibera.org/amp/31720871.html https://romania.europalibera.org/amp/31720871.html Edit: grammar and all sorts. Bored of explaining fellow romanians that contributing to refugees is a duty and not an option. Romania is on the eternal receiving side and sometimes we have to contribute as well. Government wont, thus its up to regular folk. Glad that op and paganel are happy to rip the PR benefits from those that did contribute to this crisis.
  - paganel 5y ago
radu_floricica 5y ago
Uh... didn't even think about loss of product. What moved me was debt already incurred.

mourner 5y ago

Thank you so much for your support! Every little donation or even retweet helps.