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It would be much easier if crypto could just die out.

by DangitBobby 5y ago

schappim 5y ago
Why? I saw a good use for this week when journalists used it to purchase a car in war torn Ukraine.
- DangitBobby 5y ago
  Thats wonderful. Im sure a handful of victories can be listed. I highly doubt they wouldn't have found another way to purchase a car, though. Anyway, I need not remind you of how big a boon cryptocurrencies have been to criminals and con artists. I think it should be pretty clear to anyone on this site why someone would be against them, just like it's clear to me why someone would be for them.
  - Broken_Hippo 5y ago
    I highly doubt they wouldn't have found another way to purchase a car, though. Exactly this. I'm guessing if they needed food they'd be out of luck.
    - schappim 5y ago
      You’re probably not wrong.
  - schappim 5y ago
    > I highly doubt they wouldn't have found another way to purchase a car, though There was no cash. ATMs we’re dry. > boon cryptocurrencies have been to criminals and con artists It is probably overstated. Orders of magnitude more criminal activity would be going through cash and even orgs that are meant to KYC, such as Western Union or even iTunes gift certificates. How many grannies are sending crypto vs providing logins to their bank accounts? I’m not a crypto-apologist, I just haven’t heard any solid arguments against it that can’t also be said about cash or the traditional banking system.
    - fnomnom 5y ago
      > There was no cash. ATMs we’re dry. paypal, venmo, cashapp etc would have worked the same. for all of them and for crypto you need to be in the ecosystem (need wallets, accounts, apps etc) and internet access.
      - schappim 5y ago
        All very US centric apps (with the exception of Paypal), but PayPal would gouge them on fees. I guess what I want to get across is I’m not evangelising crypto, I just don’t necessarily want the space to die. I want them to keep iterating on the concept and see what other benefits can be generated.
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  - whywhywhywhy 5y ago
    If war broke out in my country I’d be glad I could take my money across the border by memorizing some words rather than dragging silver or possibly now worthless currency.
- hypertele-Xii 5y ago
  Was that single car worth the energy waste equivalent of a small country? Detonating a nuclear bomb to kill one person isn't exactly a praise for its effectiveness, either.
  - roblabla 5y ago
    A single transaction does not use the energy equivalent of a small country. Last estimation I've seen said they used around 1719.51kWh. That's still a whole damn lot (around 60 days of energy use of an average US household), but you won't power a country with it.
  - runeks 5y ago
    > Was that single car worth the energy waste equivalent of a small country? What if this energy waste enabled the purchase of 1,000 cars for people in desperate need? Would it then be worth it? What if it were a million cars, or a billion?
- nisegami 5y ago
  Got a link to that? Cryptocurrencies seem to me to be a poor choice in a situation where there might be issues with infrastructure like the electrical grid or internet connectivity.
  - schappim 5y ago
    > Got a link Got a car today. Bought it with #bitcoin as all ATM's are almost cleared out and the credit card terminals are down. Hopefully, it will allow us to report a little from #Donbass while also keeping us safe and granting us an escape if things starts heating up here. [1] [1] https://twitter.com/efmikkelsen/status/1497283116028686336?s=21 https://twitter.com/efmikkelsen/status/1497283116028686336?s... They did end up both getting shot in the leg(s), but are now safe
  - i67vw3 5y ago
    Afaik, you send bitcoin by radio waves from a transmitter. To run that transmitter, you will need electricity. The electricity can be made in such situations via a generator/inverter by burning diesel.
bouncycastle 5y ago
It won't, and it's a very important technology since it's the only way for humans to store digital property without relying on some government or corporation. Also, it ever gets attacked, much more will be at stake, including your freedom for choosing what software can be run on your computer.
- DangitBobby 5y ago
  Cryptocurrencies, not cryptography. My software freedom is not dependent on the existence of cryptocurrencies. My hardware freedom is currently significantly hampered by them.
  - bouncycastle 5y ago
    freedom for me, but not anyone else. Genius.
    - DangitBobby 5y ago
      That reply probably sounded pretty smart in your head. Maybe you think I'm suggesting that we should outlaw or criminalize them? That makes sense based on your previous comment. But I said no such thing. Wishing it ill is not the same as taking away your freedom.
  - randomhodler84 5y ago
    And that is where the contradiction exists — let’s say you get your way, and governments start arresting people doing arbitrary computation on their graphics card — let’s say hashing. That would very bad for everyone’s freedoms, software and hardware. The same anticryptocurrency playbook is what was used against cryptography in the 90s. Technology that challenges the powerful is dangerous! It’s ok to not like cryptocurrency and not use it. Others can, and will. Be on the side that empowers people with technology, not the side that wants to take it away.
    - forgetfulness 5y ago

It would be much easier if crypto could just die out.

schappim 5y ago

Why? I saw a good use for this week when journalists used it to purchase a car in war torn Ukraine.

DangitBobby 5y ago
Thats wonderful. Im sure a handful of victories can be listed. I highly doubt they wouldn't have found another way to purchase a car, though. Anyway, I need not remind you of how big a boon cryptocurrencies have been to criminals and con artists. I think it should be pretty clear to anyone on this site why someone would be against them, just like it's clear to me why someone would be for them.
- Broken_Hippo 5y ago
  I highly doubt they wouldn't have found another way to purchase a car, though. Exactly this. I'm guessing if they needed food they'd be out of luck.
  - schappim 5y ago
    You’re probably not wrong.
- schappim 5y ago
  > I highly doubt they wouldn't have found another way to purchase a car, though There was no cash. ATMs we’re dry. > boon cryptocurrencies have been to criminals and con artists It is probably overstated. Orders of magnitude more criminal activity would be going through cash and even orgs that are meant to KYC, such as Western Union or even iTunes gift certificates. How many grannies are sending crypto vs providing logins to their bank accounts? I’m not a crypto-apologist, I just haven’t heard any solid arguments against it that can’t also be said about cash or the traditional banking system.
  - fnomnom 5y ago
    > There was no cash. ATMs we’re dry. paypal, venmo, cashapp etc would have worked the same. for all of them and for crypto you need to be in the ecosystem (need wallets, accounts, apps etc) and internet access.
    - schappim 5y ago
      All very US centric apps (with the exception of Paypal), but PayPal would gouge them on fees. I guess what I want to get across is I’m not evangelising crypto, I just don’t necessarily want the space to die. I want them to keep iterating on the concept and see what other benefits can be generated.
      - deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
- whywhywhywhy 5y ago
  If war broke out in my country I’d be glad I could take my money across the border by memorizing some words rather than dragging silver or possibly now worthless currency.
hypertele-Xii 5y ago
Was that single car worth the energy waste equivalent of a small country? Detonating a nuclear bomb to kill one person isn't exactly a praise for its effectiveness, either.
- roblabla 5y ago
  A single transaction does not use the energy equivalent of a small country. Last estimation I've seen said they used around 1719.51kWh. That's still a whole damn lot (around 60 days of energy use of an average US household), but you won't power a country with it.
- runeks 5y ago
  > Was that single car worth the energy waste equivalent of a small country? What if this energy waste enabled the purchase of 1,000 cars for people in desperate need? Would it then be worth it? What if it were a million cars, or a billion?
nisegami 5y ago
Got a link to that? Cryptocurrencies seem to me to be a poor choice in a situation where there might be issues with infrastructure like the electrical grid or internet connectivity.
- schappim 5y ago
  > Got a link Got a car today. Bought it with #bitcoin as all ATM's are almost cleared out and the credit card terminals are down. Hopefully, it will allow us to report a little from #Donbass while also keeping us safe and granting us an escape if things starts heating up here. [1] [1] https://twitter.com/efmikkelsen/status/1497283116028686336?s=21 https://twitter.com/efmikkelsen/status/1497283116028686336?s... They did end up both getting shot in the leg(s), but are now safe
- i67vw3 5y ago
  Afaik, you send bitcoin by radio waves from a transmitter. To run that transmitter, you will need electricity. The electricity can be made in such situations via a generator/inverter by burning diesel.

bouncycastle 5y ago

It won't, and it's a very important technology since it's the only way for humans to store digital property without relying on some government or corporation. Also, it ever gets attacked, much more will be at stake, including your freedom for choosing what software can be run on your computer.

DangitBobby 5y ago
Cryptocurrencies, not cryptography. My software freedom is not dependent on the existence of cryptocurrencies. My hardware freedom is currently significantly hampered by them.
- bouncycastle 5y ago
  freedom for me, but not anyone else. Genius.
  - DangitBobby 5y ago
    That reply probably sounded pretty smart in your head. Maybe you think I'm suggesting that we should outlaw or criminalize them? That makes sense based on your previous comment. But I said no such thing. Wishing it ill is not the same as taking away your freedom.
- randomhodler84 5y ago
  And that is where the contradiction exists — let’s say you get your way, and governments start arresting people doing arbitrary computation on their graphics card — let’s say hashing. That would very bad for everyone’s freedoms, software and hardware. The same anticryptocurrency playbook is what was used against cryptography in the 90s. Technology that challenges the powerful is dangerous! It’s ok to not like cryptocurrency and not use it. Others can, and will. Be on the side that empowers people with technology, not the side that wants to take it away.
  - forgetfulness 5y ago