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It's somewhat strident rhetoric but interesting to read a mainland take on the power outage, and Pompeo in Taiwan

wolverine876 5y ago
It's not a mainland take - it's not some journalist from Shanghai - it's Chinese Communist Party propaganda, intended to manipulate the global audience.
- throwaway290 5y ago
  Don't know how propaganda like this has a place on this site. Edit: Axiomatic statements are stealthily made about contentious points that are inconvenient to mainland China to actually consider. Yes, sometimes there is propaganda-like writing in western media. But not every news and analysis is propaganda. A good journalist may have an opinion, but able to see own biases and object to oneself.
  - graderjs 5y ago
    Nearly all news is propaganda, just at various levels of self-acknowledgment. Read it anyway, and extract useful views. It's good to read a diversity of perspectives. In terms of being informed, reading a strong version of something you may disagree with, or feel yourself to be "on the opposite side of the narrative from" has higher informational value. The dangerous thing is saying we can't read this, we can't ask this question, because of its origin or stance. ---------- edit: the top post was flagged, so I put my reply to your below, here, heh :) ---------- >> Nearly all news is propaganda, just at various levels of self-acknowledgment. Read it anyway, and extract useful views. > This is the propagandist's defense... No, it's the mark of the savvy reader. There was no defense offered, or needed, in its saying. But so...I'm a propagandist for saying people should read widely? Hmm, no. Seems the reverse is true, tho... > ...like liars who say 'we're all liars', and criminals who say 'we all commit crimes', and the corrupt who say, 'everyone is corrupt'. Yep, the reverse is true. That's some strident rhetoric: sounds like liars, criminals and the corrupt who wants to silence others, and restrict their views. But the truth is everyone is a liar. And a criminal...just at various levels of self acknowledgment and severity. > A bland, and in this case, meaningless statement. There are no benefits to reading lies and there are certainly an almost infinite number of more valuable perspectives to read. If one decides for others what's bland, meaningless and lies, and forbids it, aren't they a manipulative propagandist and liar, or corrupt, or a criminal? Or a book burner? Oh, Montag... What lies in the article?
    - wolverine876 5y ago
      > Nearly all news is propaganda, just at various levels of self-acknowledgment. This is the propagandist's defense, like liars who say 'we're all liars', and criminals who say 'we all commit crimes', and the corrupt who say, 'everyone is corrupt'. > It's good to read a diversity of perspectives. A bland, and in this case, meaningless statement. There are no benefits to reading lies, and there are certainly an almost infinite number of more valuable perspectives to read.
- graderjs 5y ago
  > It's not a mainland take - it's not some journalist from Shanghai - it's Chinese Communist Party propaganda, intended to manipulate the global audience. Or, "express a Chinese view" to a global audience. All that makes it a mainland take. Also, how do you know it wasn't written by a journalist in Shanghai? ---------- edit: the top post was flagged, so I put my reply to your below here, heh :) ---------- > Global Times is published by the Chinese Communist Party. Which makes it a mainland take.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    Global Times is published by the Chinese Communist Party.

It's not a mainland take - it's not some journalist from Shanghai - it's Chinese Communist Party propaganda, intended to manipulate the global audience.

throwaway290 5y ago
Don't know how propaganda like this has a place on this site. Edit: Axiomatic statements are stealthily made about contentious points that are inconvenient to mainland China to actually consider. Yes, sometimes there is propaganda-like writing in western media. But not every news and analysis is propaganda. A good journalist may have an opinion, but able to see own biases and object to oneself.
- graderjs 5y ago
  Nearly all news is propaganda, just at various levels of self-acknowledgment. Read it anyway, and extract useful views. It's good to read a diversity of perspectives. In terms of being informed, reading a strong version of something you may disagree with, or feel yourself to be "on the opposite side of the narrative from" has higher informational value. The dangerous thing is saying we can't read this, we can't ask this question, because of its origin or stance. ---------- edit: the top post was flagged, so I put my reply to your below, here, heh :) ---------- >> Nearly all news is propaganda, just at various levels of self-acknowledgment. Read it anyway, and extract useful views. > This is the propagandist's defense... No, it's the mark of the savvy reader. There was no defense offered, or needed, in its saying. But so...I'm a propagandist for saying people should read widely? Hmm, no. Seems the reverse is true, tho... > ...like liars who say 'we're all liars', and criminals who say 'we all commit crimes', and the corrupt who say, 'everyone is corrupt'. Yep, the reverse is true. That's some strident rhetoric: sounds like liars, criminals and the corrupt who wants to silence others, and restrict their views. But the truth is everyone is a liar. And a criminal...just at various levels of self acknowledgment and severity. > A bland, and in this case, meaningless statement. There are no benefits to reading lies and there are certainly an almost infinite number of more valuable perspectives to read. If one decides for others what's bland, meaningless and lies, and forbids it, aren't they a manipulative propagandist and liar, or corrupt, or a criminal? Or a book burner? Oh, Montag... What lies in the article?
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    > Nearly all news is propaganda, just at various levels of self-acknowledgment. This is the propagandist's defense, like liars who say 'we're all liars', and criminals who say 'we all commit crimes', and the corrupt who say, 'everyone is corrupt'. > It's good to read a diversity of perspectives. A bland, and in this case, meaningless statement. There are no benefits to reading lies, and there are certainly an almost infinite number of more valuable perspectives to read.
graderjs 5y ago
> It's not a mainland take - it's not some journalist from Shanghai - it's Chinese Communist Party propaganda, intended to manipulate the global audience. Or, "express a Chinese view" to a global audience. All that makes it a mainland take. Also, how do you know it wasn't written by a journalist in Shanghai? ---------- edit: the top post was flagged, so I put my reply to your below here, heh :) ---------- > Global Times is published by the Chinese Communist Party. Which makes it a mainland take.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  Global Times is published by the Chinese Communist Party.