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Interesting twitter space discussion goign on right now: https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1LyxBowlNzoKN?s=20 https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1LyxBowlNzoKN?s=20 speakers seem informed

Trasmatta 5y ago
This discussion has been very helpful for my understanding of the situation and has been reducing my anxiety, thank you.
- Some20s 5y ago
  You are welcome, also I saw you commented about rising radiation levels somewhere else earlier. I think this has been covered perhaps before you chimed in, a physicist claimed that the higher radiation levels, assuming they are actually recorded, could very likely be caused by the weapons used in the are and not reflect the true levels. I unfortunately don't have the necessary expertise to explain that further, but I assume it's simmiliar to smoking a ciggarette into a air pollution sensor. edit: seems like you just asked for a source, I misread the comment chain
tailspin2019 5y ago
Good discussion. Brings some clarity to this and so far it doesn’t sound quite as serious as you might be led to believe given the headlines.
- TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
  It's reassuring in that meltdown is very unlikely. But who the actual fuck shells a nuclear plant? That's not reassuring at all. It's also against international law.
  - ummonk 5y ago
    Nobody shelled a nuclear plant. Russian forces drove into the parking lot of a nuclear plant, had two RPGs fired upon them from an administrative building and fired machine guns back at the administrative building. There were fires and after some time the fighting was sorted out and firefighters put out the fire.
    - belval 5y ago
      All headlines are about Russians shelling a nuclear plant. You can say that's fake news, but at least provide a shred of evidence (like any article?). > KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russian forces pressed their attack on a crucial energy-producing Ukrainian city by shelling Europe’s largest nuclear plant early Friday, sparking a fire and raising fears that radiation could leak from the damaged power station. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-a3092d8e476949ed7c55607a645a9154 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-a3092d8e476949...
      - tenpies 5y ago
        I think the best stance is what we should all know by now: Ukraine is highly propagandistic because their victory scenario involves getting NATO directly involved and escalating a regional conflict into a World War. So let's treat any information coming out from them as such and wait 1 day for more accurate accounts to come in.
        Johnny555 5y ago
        To be fair, I'm certain that the Ukraine does not want to spark a world war, but they certainly would appreciate some direct support from NATO, even just air support. (which is likely to lead to a world war, but that's not Ukraine's intention, they are just trying to preserve their country). Despite any inaccuracies due to the "fog of war" or even propaganda, the basic facts of this unprovoked invasion are more than enough to justify NATO intervention.
        ericd 5y ago
        “Just air support” means a hot war between the US and Russia, which would be an extremely dangerous thing. It’s extremely irresponsible to advocate for that. There is a reason they weren’t allowed into NATO before, and that reason has only gotten stronger.
        Johnny555 5y ago
  - azinman2 5y ago
    So it randomly invading a country. International law doesn’t actually mean very much, especially when the violator is powerful and has nuclear weapons.

Interesting twitter space discussion goign on right now: https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1LyxBowlNzoKN?s=20 https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1LyxBowlNzoKN?s=20 speakers seem informed

Trasmatta 5y ago

This discussion has been very helpful for my understanding of the situation and has been reducing my anxiety, thank you.

Some20s 5y ago
You are welcome, also I saw you commented about rising radiation levels somewhere else earlier. I think this has been covered perhaps before you chimed in, a physicist claimed that the higher radiation levels, assuming they are actually recorded, could very likely be caused by the weapons used in the are and not reflect the true levels. I unfortunately don't have the necessary expertise to explain that further, but I assume it's simmiliar to smoking a ciggarette into a air pollution sensor. edit: seems like you just asked for a source, I misread the comment chain

tailspin2019 5y ago

Good discussion. Brings some clarity to this and so far it doesn’t sound quite as serious as you might be led to believe given the headlines.

TheOtherHobbes 5y ago
It's reassuring in that meltdown is very unlikely. But who the actual fuck shells a nuclear plant? That's not reassuring at all. It's also against international law.
- ummonk 5y ago
  Nobody shelled a nuclear plant. Russian forces drove into the parking lot of a nuclear plant, had two RPGs fired upon them from an administrative building and fired machine guns back at the administrative building. There were fires and after some time the fighting was sorted out and firefighters put out the fire.
  - belval 5y ago
    All headlines are about Russians shelling a nuclear plant. You can say that's fake news, but at least provide a shred of evidence (like any article?). > KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russian forces pressed their attack on a crucial energy-producing Ukrainian city by shelling Europe’s largest nuclear plant early Friday, sparking a fire and raising fears that radiation could leak from the damaged power station. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-a3092d8e476949ed7c55607a645a9154 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-a3092d8e476949...
    - tenpies 5y ago
      I think the best stance is what we should all know by now: Ukraine is highly propagandistic because their victory scenario involves getting NATO directly involved and escalating a regional conflict into a World War. So let's treat any information coming out from them as such and wait 1 day for more accurate accounts to come in.
      - Johnny555 5y ago
        To be fair, I'm certain that the Ukraine does not want to spark a world war, but they certainly would appreciate some direct support from NATO, even just air support. (which is likely to lead to a world war, but that's not Ukraine's intention, they are just trying to preserve their country). Despite any inaccuracies due to the "fog of war" or even propaganda, the basic facts of this unprovoked invasion are more than enough to justify NATO intervention.
        ericd 5y ago
        “Just air support” means a hot war between the US and Russia, which would be an extremely dangerous thing. It’s extremely irresponsible to advocate for that. There is a reason they weren’t allowed into NATO before, and that reason has only gotten stronger.
        Johnny555 5y ago
- azinman2 5y ago
  So it randomly invading a country. International law doesn’t actually mean very much, especially when the violator is powerful and has nuclear weapons.