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Don't try to gaslight me that Oracle is some benevolent company and the BEA / etc product suite of Oracle was some grandiose idealistic movement of software. I

Don't try to gaslight me that Oracle is some benevolent company and the BEA / etc product suite of Oracle was some grandiose idealistic movement of software. IBM and Oracle have a history of acquiring companies to acquire customers. The difference between the two is that Oracle acquires software so it can sue them. IBM just wants to sell hardware and licenses. Um, yeah, I'll take IBM. Oracle of course jumped on Java. What was the alternative? IBM had DB/2 at the time. Microsoft had SQLServer. That's not some great vision or buy-in with the Java ecosystem, it was just economic calculation. And why did Oracle acquire Java? Oh that's right, they only cared about suing google. There are numerous stories of Oracle asking Sun officials specifically about that potential avenue of litigation, almost to the exclusion of any technical merits or other value to the Java assets. Oracle bundled Ask.com toolbar. End of story. Google would have simply outsourced everything. Win win win.

pjmlp 5y ago
Gaslighting?!? No one else bothered to buy Sun, or top Oracle's offer, that is how much the industry cared for Sun. The amount of hate speech people can vomit against Oracle doesn't change that fact. > And why did Oracle acquire Java? Oh that's right, they only cared about suing google. There are numerous stories of Oracle asking Sun officials specifically about that potential avenue of litigation, almost to the exclusion of any technical merits or other value to the Java assets. Sun wanted to sue as well, they already lacked the funds to do that. James Gosling on the matter, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYw3X4RZv6Y&t=3462s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYw3X4RZv6Y&t=3462s > Oracle bundled Ask.com toolbar. End of story. Learn your story, Sun did that not Oracle. When Sun was acquired, Java was at version 6, and MaximeVM was a Sun Research Labs project. Now we have Java 17 and MaximeVM graduated into GraalVM. And to re-iterate, no one else, not a single company, bothered to top Oracle's bid. It was definitly end of story for Sun's mismanagement.

pjmlp 5y ago

Gaslighting?!? No one else bothered to buy Sun, or top Oracle's offer, that is how much the industry cared for Sun. The amount of hate speech people can vomit against Oracle doesn't change that fact. > And why did Oracle acquire Java? Oh that's right, they only cared about suing google. There are numerous stories of Oracle asking Sun officials specifically about that potential avenue of litigation, almost to the exclusion of any technical merits or other value to the Java assets. Sun wanted to sue as well, they already lacked the funds to do that. James Gosling on the matter, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYw3X4RZv6Y&t=3462s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYw3X4RZv6Y&t=3462s > Oracle bundled Ask.com toolbar. End of story. Learn your story, Sun did that not Oracle. When Sun was acquired, Java was at version 6, and MaximeVM was a Sun Research Labs project. Now we have Java 17 and MaximeVM graduated into GraalVM. And to re-iterate, no one else, not a single company, bothered to top Oracle's bid. It was definitly end of story for Sun's mismanagement.