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This game was really fun until you figure out the insight that the card ranks you'll need are known in advance just by counting off to your left. If I know I ne

This game was really fun until you figure out the insight that the card ranks you'll need are known in advance just by counting off to your left. If I know I need an Ace, a 4, a 7, a 10, etc, I can plan the whole game around calling "BS" on the ranks I don't have yet to pick up those needed cards. At this point the game becomes like Tic Tac Toe :)

drivers99 5y ago
I don't understand. It says your goal is to get rid of all your cards, not get every card.
- jmcgough 5y ago
  Right, but people will call "I Doubt It" on your last card to keep you from winning, so if you know the card you'll need to play you can dump cards here or there by bluffing to set up for it (or, as OP suggests, get that card by thinking ahead, but I wouldn't agree with that strategy since half the time you'll get garbage from lies or picking up a large pile).
  - cortesoft 5y ago
    Yes, there is strategy in the game. But other players can counter strategy. That is the whole point of a good game. Strategy, but no perfect strategy.
function_seven 5y ago
The variant explained in the page doesn't allow for this pre-planning. You don't know what rank you will need, because you won't know what the next lead will declare when they start a round.
- bscphil 5y ago
  Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what ruleset is described by that comment. The use of offsets seems to suggest that the card needed to play starts at a particular offset "A", and then rotates as the turn moves around the table. But then, if any players pass, that would throw off your offset... So count me confused.
  - Talanes 5y ago
    You basically have it right, except there's no option to pass either. They're describing this variant: https://www.pagat.com/beating/cheat.html https://www.pagat.com/beating/cheat.html
cortesoft 5y ago
Except you also have to pickup all the other cards placed, as well, which could be a huge stack. Also, you still have to get rid of the cards you have, which you might not end up needing to place. There is no perfect strategy in this game.

drivers99 5y ago

I don't understand. It says your goal is to get rid of all your cards, not get every card.

jmcgough 5y ago
Right, but people will call "I Doubt It" on your last card to keep you from winning, so if you know the card you'll need to play you can dump cards here or there by bluffing to set up for it (or, as OP suggests, get that card by thinking ahead, but I wouldn't agree with that strategy since half the time you'll get garbage from lies or picking up a large pile).
- cortesoft 5y ago
  Yes, there is strategy in the game. But other players can counter strategy. That is the whole point of a good game. Strategy, but no perfect strategy.

function_seven 5y ago

The variant explained in the page doesn't allow for this pre-planning. You don't know what rank you will need, because you won't know what the next lead will declare when they start a round.

bscphil 5y ago
Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what ruleset is described by that comment. The use of offsets seems to suggest that the card needed to play starts at a particular offset "A", and then rotates as the turn moves around the table. But then, if any players pass, that would throw off your offset... So count me confused.
- Talanes 5y ago
  You basically have it right, except there's no option to pass either. They're describing this variant: https://www.pagat.com/beating/cheat.html https://www.pagat.com/beating/cheat.html

cortesoft 5y ago

Except you also have to pickup all the other cards placed, as well, which could be a huge stack. Also, you still have to get rid of the cards you have, which you might not end up needing to place. There is no perfect strategy in this game.