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If you don't daily drive an iPhone and you don't want to buy into Apples ecosystem, why do you want to develop for their ecosystem (which of course requires $10

by jjcon 5y ago

If you don't daily drive an iPhone and you don't want to buy into Apples ecosystem, why do you want to develop for their ecosystem (which of course requires $100 a year to do so)? Genuinely curious cause I see a lot of people with this sentiment, is it for work related purposes or something? Or testing of web work potentially?

chrismorgan 5y ago
For myself, it’s mostly web stuff with Safari and Safari on iOS that I’d really like to be able to test from time to time.
- exikyut 5y ago
  Then macOS + Xcode + simulator would probably be the most cost-effective solution. *(Small glance at QEMU)*
  - chrismorgan 5y ago
    Yeah, because I can’t use macOS without violating its EULA or forking out even more hundreds of dollars for a Mac Mini. :-(
- kingcharles 5y ago
  There's a ton of companies out there who have real iPhones, iPads etc you can rent by the minute through a web browser to test your code or web sites. i.e. https://www.browserstack.com/test-on-iphone https://www.browserstack.com/test-on-iphone I'm just trying to find the one I use to test my emoji stuff, since Safari is the only one that displays emoji domains correctly.
  - simion314 5y ago
    Browser stack did not had the betas or the just released Safari versions, we had to depend on someone in our team risking upgrading to latest OSX to be able to debug with just released Safari that broke WebGL on desktop too. We do not target mobile users, we are fixing any bugs reported for Safari that are our code , but we only daily test with Firefox and Chrome because the developers and testers are using Windows or Linux(the team is in Europe)
gman83 5y ago
I have some sideproject apps that I built with Flutter that I use on my Android phone, and I would make them available on iOS if I didn't have to pay any money to do so.
- scarface74 5y ago
  So the question is why would I as a consumer want to buy a least common denominator app using a cross platform framework that wasn’t actually tested on real hardware?
  - lucb1e 5y ago
    You can always uninstall it if it's crap right? It would be available to you as a choice, and now it's simply not available.
    - kitsunesoba 5y ago
      If the App Store becomes full of “checkbox ports” it’s going to be even more difficult to navigate than it already is. Part of that is on Apple for not investing more in discovery, but copious numbers of low effort ports isn’t a good thing to have anyway. In the game world, bad ports of console games to PC and bad ports of games from any other platform to the Switch are one of the most consistent gripes — quite often the sentiment surrounding them is that they’d be better off not existing.
      - borland 5y ago
        The app store has been full of "checkbox ports" since about 6 months after it launched
    - freedomben 5y ago
      You're showing your cards as an android person ;-) I agree with you, but nearly everyone on apple products will not. I get a (too me very perplexing) very similar respose when I ask things like, "why would it hurt people who want an Apple curated app store experience to allow a buried setting in the settings menu that allows sideloading for the few people who want that?"

by jjcon 5y ago

chrismorgan 5y ago

For myself, it’s mostly web stuff with Safari and Safari on iOS that I’d really like to be able to test from time to time.

exikyut 5y ago
Then macOS + Xcode + simulator would probably be the most cost-effective solution. *(Small glance at QEMU)*
- chrismorgan 5y ago
  Yeah, because I can’t use macOS without violating its EULA or forking out even more hundreds of dollars for a Mac Mini. :-(
kingcharles 5y ago
There's a ton of companies out there who have real iPhones, iPads etc you can rent by the minute through a web browser to test your code or web sites. i.e. https://www.browserstack.com/test-on-iphone https://www.browserstack.com/test-on-iphone I'm just trying to find the one I use to test my emoji stuff, since Safari is the only one that displays emoji domains correctly.
- simion314 5y ago
  Browser stack did not had the betas or the just released Safari versions, we had to depend on someone in our team risking upgrading to latest OSX to be able to debug with just released Safari that broke WebGL on desktop too. We do not target mobile users, we are fixing any bugs reported for Safari that are our code , but we only daily test with Firefox and Chrome because the developers and testers are using Windows or Linux(the team is in Europe)

gman83 5y ago

I have some sideproject apps that I built with Flutter that I use on my Android phone, and I would make them available on iOS if I didn't have to pay any money to do so.

scarface74 5y ago
So the question is why would I as a consumer want to buy a least common denominator app using a cross platform framework that wasn’t actually tested on real hardware?
- lucb1e 5y ago
  You can always uninstall it if it's crap right? It would be available to you as a choice, and now it's simply not available.
  - kitsunesoba 5y ago
    If the App Store becomes full of “checkbox ports” it’s going to be even more difficult to navigate than it already is. Part of that is on Apple for not investing more in discovery, but copious numbers of low effort ports isn’t a good thing to have anyway. In the game world, bad ports of console games to PC and bad ports of games from any other platform to the Switch are one of the most consistent gripes — quite often the sentiment surrounding them is that they’d be better off not existing.
    - borland 5y ago
      The app store has been full of "checkbox ports" since about 6 months after it launched
  - freedomben 5y ago
    You're showing your cards as an android person ;-) I agree with you, but nearly everyone on apple products will not. I get a (too me very perplexing) very similar respose when I ask things like, "why would it hurt people who want an Apple curated app store experience to allow a buried setting in the settings menu that allows sideloading for the few people who want that?"