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Hard disagree. Gifted kids are a myth. Overwhelmingly, these kids are just privileged. Privileged to grow up in an educated family, privileged to not have to
by bedobi 5y ago
Hard disagree.
Gifted kids are a myth. Overwhelmingly, these kids are just privileged.
Privileged to grow up in an educated family, privileged to not have to help out at home, privileged to not have to take a job in high school to support a struggling family, privileged to be afforded extra tutoring specifically designed to jump through all the hoops in the system. (which don't measure talent or giftedness, just familiarity with and ability to jump through the hoops) (if you can even call tutoring a privilege - I know I would prefer if kids were allowed to be kids and not shut into a room with a tutor when they're already done with school for the day)
etc etc
and before anyone starts to reply "aKsHullY..." YES of course there's the odd legitimately GIFTED child out there, but they're a rare exception and even in the proposed system, if they're not from the right family, they wouldn't be picked up - other, rich, ungifted kids would take their place. Let alone that if you look at biographies of legitimately GIFTED kids, they often don't do well in or take well to school in the first place.
Basically to me this whole thing reeks of disingenuous masking of privilege as "giftedness" and completely misguided and mistaken ideas about actually gifted kids.
EDIT I should add that to really bring progress across the board, the focus should be on the bringing the bulk of the kids to the highest possible levels, and the most support focused on the kids who struggle the most. Privileged kids already have privilege - they will develop anyway don't need public support. Non-privileged kids do.
- swagasaurus-rex 5y agoYou're basically arguing nuture > nature I think in any school system you'll see some kids pick up the material, remember it, talk about it. Other kids won't. Blaming it on their parents doesn't really point to a solution either.
- bedobi 5y ago> You're basically arguing nuture > nature No, that's completely orthogonal to all this. I'm simply pointing out the author is calling for entrenching a system where privilege is rewarded and exacerbated irrespective of actual giftedness, or whether any actual giftedness is a result of nurture or nature.
- scarmig 5y agoThis is quite simply factually false. Socioeconomic status (so-called "privilege") has some correlations with outcomes, but there's wide variation in abilities even once you account for socioeconomic status. Every kid is unique, and pretending that the top 5% of learners should be in the same classroom as the bottom 5% of learners does a disservice to both.
- bedobi 5y agoI don't disagree with this, but that's not the point, the point is the proposed system seems to reward privilege, not ability.
- ryan93 5y agoThe average math sat score for kids whose families make over 200,000 a year would place them in the bottom ten% of the class at Boston university