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This completely encourages piracy of recently released software. You can't give me the archivist argument that there's no other ways to experience these games.

This completely encourages piracy of recently released software. You can't give me the archivist argument that there's no other ways to experience these games. Nintendo is not targeting the same market as the Steam Deck. The Steam Deck still looks too much like a prototype for me to want to buy it. A very large percentage of games available on Steam will simply not work on a steam deck. Nobody knows if it's even possible to get Microsoft Game Pass running on it, and for many PC gamers that's a significant percentage of your library. Nobody knows if other storefronts are going to play ball. For example, I really wanted to play the HD. Tony hawk. But since Epic has an exclusive deal, I dusted off my PS4 and played it there. Compare this to a Nintendo switch, it's a small game console for me to play Smash Bros and Advance Wars. It's a vastly more polished experience. I don't need to worry about Photon compatibility issues , I can just play a video game. It's as if someone posted "Here's how you get Netflix for free", and Netflix filed a DMCA request against it. You can't call Netflix the bad guy here. Likewise Nintendo isn't monopolizing an essential service, you can enjoy other content. You just don't have a right to enjoy theirs without paying the entry fee. For example, if you decide you don't want to buy a Mac, and then your Hackintosh gets your Apple account banned, you have no one to blame but yourself.

gambiting 5y ago
>>Nobody knows if it's even possible to get Microsoft Game Pass running on it What do you mean nobody knows? Just install windows on it, and play your Gamepass games? Same with the Epic launcher. >>It's as if someone posted "Here's how you get Netflix for free", and Netflix filed a DMCA request against it. That's not even remotely comparable. May I remind you that in US Sony has lost the legal battle against Blem! Emulator, for this exact reason, and the court was explicit in its ruling - the games that you own can be played on other systems using emulators and Sony doesn't get to have a say in it. >>You just don't have a right to enjoy theirs without paying the entry fee. No one said anything about playing games without paying for them. That's your own interpretation. >>Compare this to a Nintendo switch, it's a small game console for me to play Smash Bros and Advance Wars. It's a vastly more polished experience. Literally no one is making you get rid of your switch. Enjoy the system and the experiences on it.
- 999900000999 5y ago
  There's no way to legally dump a switch rom. It's just what it is, you'd have to crack the DRM on it and that's already a violation of the DMCA. Let's be honest for a second, almost no one who's running a switch emulator legally purchase those games, and then dumped those games to a file. Sure, it's possible but that's not what 99.9% of users are going to do. You attempt to install Windows on a Steam Deck, but it looks like nothing works yet. https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-steam-deck https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-steam-de...
  - gambiting 5y ago
    >>It's just what it is, you'd have to crack the DRM on it and that's already a violation of the DMCA. I don't live on the US and there's literally nothing illegal about dumping a switch ROM here. DMCA doesn't have any authority here. Besides, even in US you have the right to make a copy of the media you own and this particular scenario hasn't been tested in court so at best you are speculating. >>Let's be honest for a second, almost no one who's running a switch emulator legally purchase those games, and then dumped those games to a file. Where I live you can legally just download a copy of a game that you own and play that, nothing illegal about that. >>Sure, it's possible but that's not what 99.9% of users are going to do. Even then, that's not a reason for Nintendo to remove those videos from YouTube. Just like a video explaining how to use a torrent client shouldn't be removed, even though "probably" 99.9% of users use torrents to pirate content. Did you forget the entire discussion last year about the takedown of Youtube-DL? Just because something might be used illegally doesn't make it illegal. >>You attempt to install Windows on a Steam Deck, but it looks like nothing works yet Right, that part I'll admit I wasn't aware of.
    - 999900000999 5y ago
      YouTube is an American based company, therefore they should not encourage the violation of American laws. Additionally, YouTube has a right to act in their own best interest. Nintendo also runs advertising on various Google products, if responding to their DCMA request makes it easier for Google to turn a profit, why not?
Wowfunhappy 5y ago
> It's as if someone posted "Here's how you get Netflix for free", and Netflix filed a DMCA request against it. You can't call Netflix the bad guy here. Likewise Nintendo isn't monopolizing an essential service, you can enjoy other content. You just don't have a right to enjoy theirs without paying the entry fee. Actually, taking the DMCA and Youtube policies out of the conversation for a moment—what is the legality of something like this? It's not illegal to share instructions on how to make a bomb, right?
- Nursie 5y ago
  > It's not illegal to share instructions on how to make a bomb, right? Depends on the country, I think many countries have terrorism laws that this might contravene now. I would expect that to be illegal in the UK for a start, probably most of Europe.

gambiting 5y ago

>>Nobody knows if it's even possible to get Microsoft Game Pass running on it What do you mean nobody knows? Just install windows on it, and play your Gamepass games? Same with the Epic launcher. >>It's as if someone posted "Here's how you get Netflix for free", and Netflix filed a DMCA request against it. That's not even remotely comparable. May I remind you that in US Sony has lost the legal battle against Blem! Emulator, for this exact reason, and the court was explicit in its ruling - the games that you own can be played on other systems using emulators and Sony doesn't get to have a say in it. >>You just don't have a right to enjoy theirs without paying the entry fee. No one said anything about playing games without paying for them. That's your own interpretation. >>Compare this to a Nintendo switch, it's a small game console for me to play Smash Bros and Advance Wars. It's a vastly more polished experience. Literally no one is making you get rid of your switch. Enjoy the system and the experiences on it.

999900000999 5y ago
There's no way to legally dump a switch rom. It's just what it is, you'd have to crack the DRM on it and that's already a violation of the DMCA. Let's be honest for a second, almost no one who's running a switch emulator legally purchase those games, and then dumped those games to a file. Sure, it's possible but that's not what 99.9% of users are going to do. You attempt to install Windows on a Steam Deck, but it looks like nothing works yet. https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-steam-deck https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-steam-de...
- gambiting 5y ago
  >>It's just what it is, you'd have to crack the DRM on it and that's already a violation of the DMCA. I don't live on the US and there's literally nothing illegal about dumping a switch ROM here. DMCA doesn't have any authority here. Besides, even in US you have the right to make a copy of the media you own and this particular scenario hasn't been tested in court so at best you are speculating. >>Let's be honest for a second, almost no one who's running a switch emulator legally purchase those games, and then dumped those games to a file. Where I live you can legally just download a copy of a game that you own and play that, nothing illegal about that. >>Sure, it's possible but that's not what 99.9% of users are going to do. Even then, that's not a reason for Nintendo to remove those videos from YouTube. Just like a video explaining how to use a torrent client shouldn't be removed, even though "probably" 99.9% of users use torrents to pirate content. Did you forget the entire discussion last year about the takedown of Youtube-DL? Just because something might be used illegally doesn't make it illegal. >>You attempt to install Windows on a Steam Deck, but it looks like nothing works yet Right, that part I'll admit I wasn't aware of.
  - 999900000999 5y ago
    YouTube is an American based company, therefore they should not encourage the violation of American laws. Additionally, YouTube has a right to act in their own best interest. Nintendo also runs advertising on various Google products, if responding to their DCMA request makes it easier for Google to turn a profit, why not?

Wowfunhappy 5y ago

> It's as if someone posted "Here's how you get Netflix for free", and Netflix filed a DMCA request against it. You can't call Netflix the bad guy here. Likewise Nintendo isn't monopolizing an essential service, you can enjoy other content. You just don't have a right to enjoy theirs without paying the entry fee. Actually, taking the DMCA and Youtube policies out of the conversation for a moment—what is the legality of something like this? It's not illegal to share instructions on how to make a bomb, right?

Nursie 5y ago
> It's not illegal to share instructions on how to make a bomb, right? Depends on the country, I think many countries have terrorism laws that this might contravene now. I would expect that to be illegal in the UK for a start, probably most of Europe.