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Why is Russia invading Ukraine?

9 points by Toobam 5y ago

NoPie 5y ago
This will explain in detail: https://acoup.blog/2022/02/25/miscellanea-understanding-the-war-in-ukraine/ https://acoup.blog/2022/02/25/miscellanea-understanding-the-... (long read).
Ambolia 5y ago
"Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer" https://youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 https://youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 In pdf form here: https://www.thethinkingconservative.com/why-is-ukraine-the-wests-fault-featuring-john-mearsheimer/ https://www.thethinkingconservative.com/why-is-ukraine-the-w...
- cmurf 5y ago
  https://mobile.twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1499241067153080325 https://mobile.twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1499241067153... (Navy War College prof, opinions his own.)
- _dw7s 5y ago
  That's straight up Russian propaganda, so beware. In his ideas, a sovereign nation signing a treaty is an 'existential threat' for Russia, which of course, makes any problem in Ukraine the 'west's fault'. NATO expansion is not western imperialism, it is the result of 50 years of communist oppression and present-day anxiety of not ending up like Ukraine is right now. So, as someone who grew up in the eastern bloc, fuck Mearsheimer.
forgotmysn 5y ago
this was the best explanation ive come across https://outline.com/jyUcyb https://outline.com/jyUcyb
- DamnYuppie 5y ago
  That link seems to be broken for me, is there perhaps another one?
  - forgotmysn 5y ago
    Oh wow you're right, outline.com seems to be down entirely. here's the original link, though it might be paywalled https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/02/19/alexander-gabuev-writes-from-moscow-on-why-vladimir-putin-and-his-entourage-want-war https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/02/19/alexander...
vdbx 5y ago
marius_k 5y ago
I am from eastern Europe so I might be biased. This is Ukraine position which I agree with: https://war.ukraine.ua/why/ https://war.ukraine.ua/why/ Blaming West is overthinking the situation IMHO. The most simple explanation is that Russia is controlled by corrupt hierarchy with psycho on top of it. The psycho feels nostalgia for imperialism and soviet era. The psycho values hectares of land over the lives of peaceful civilians.
- sidibe 5y ago
  This is a bold take to believe in Ukraine propaganda and your own experiences. Trust me I am a very rational well-read geopolitical expert in power politics from California. Everything is about the USA, NATO, Russia and China. Little people like the Ukrainians have no agency or will of their own so surely one of the big players made them resist Russia for their own ends. Otherwise why would any country want to orient towards the EU instead of staying in the thriving few countries that are still heavily influenced by Moscow
  - nojokes 5y ago
coldtea 5y ago
This Kissinger post is not bad, and it's from 2014, yet it foretells what went on: https://www.henryakissinger.com/articles/how-the-ukraine-crisis-ends/?fbclid=IwAR2KfVf56xHWzxpl-1YZ0ILX78Wlv87mqC5t2mYPehOnrXi5obZzwpxeMvU https://www.henryakissinger.com/articles/how-the-ukraine-cri...
chaimanmeow 5y ago
Well, here are some reasons which we seldom/never hear about on mainstream media: https://www.bitchute.com/video/9Bf2Xd639SrV/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/9Bf2Xd639SrV/ (summarized elegantly in a little over five minutes.)

9 points by Toobam 5y ago

This will explain in detail: https://acoup.blog/2022/02/25/miscellanea-understanding-the-war-in-ukraine/ https://acoup.blog/2022/02/25/miscellanea-understanding-the-... (long read).

Ambolia 5y ago

"Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer" https://youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 https://youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 In pdf form here: https://www.thethinkingconservative.com/why-is-ukraine-the-wests-fault-featuring-john-mearsheimer/ https://www.thethinkingconservative.com/why-is-ukraine-the-w...

cmurf 5y ago
https://mobile.twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1499241067153080325 https://mobile.twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1499241067153... (Navy War College prof, opinions his own.)
_dw7s 5y ago
That's straight up Russian propaganda, so beware. In his ideas, a sovereign nation signing a treaty is an 'existential threat' for Russia, which of course, makes any problem in Ukraine the 'west's fault'. NATO expansion is not western imperialism, it is the result of 50 years of communist oppression and present-day anxiety of not ending up like Ukraine is right now. So, as someone who grew up in the eastern bloc, fuck Mearsheimer.

forgotmysn 5y ago

this was the best explanation ive come across https://outline.com/jyUcyb https://outline.com/jyUcyb

DamnYuppie 5y ago
That link seems to be broken for me, is there perhaps another one?
- forgotmysn 5y ago
  Oh wow you're right, outline.com seems to be down entirely. here's the original link, though it might be paywalled https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/02/19/alexander-gabuev-writes-from-moscow-on-why-vladimir-putin-and-his-entourage-want-war https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/02/19/alexander...

vdbx 5y ago

marius_k 5y ago

I am from eastern Europe so I might be biased. This is Ukraine position which I agree with: https://war.ukraine.ua/why/ https://war.ukraine.ua/why/ Blaming West is overthinking the situation IMHO. The most simple explanation is that Russia is controlled by corrupt hierarchy with psycho on top of it. The psycho feels nostalgia for imperialism and soviet era. The psycho values hectares of land over the lives of peaceful civilians.

sidibe 5y ago
This is a bold take to believe in Ukraine propaganda and your own experiences. Trust me I am a very rational well-read geopolitical expert in power politics from California. Everything is about the USA, NATO, Russia and China. Little people like the Ukrainians have no agency or will of their own so surely one of the big players made them resist Russia for their own ends. Otherwise why would any country want to orient towards the EU instead of staying in the thriving few countries that are still heavily influenced by Moscow
- nojokes 5y ago

coldtea 5y ago

This Kissinger post is not bad, and it's from 2014, yet it foretells what went on: https://www.henryakissinger.com/articles/how-the-ukraine-crisis-ends/?fbclid=IwAR2KfVf56xHWzxpl-1YZ0ILX78Wlv87mqC5t2mYPehOnrXi5obZzwpxeMvU https://www.henryakissinger.com/articles/how-the-ukraine-cri...

chaimanmeow 5y ago

Well, here are some reasons which we seldom/never hear about on mainstream media: https://www.bitchute.com/video/9Bf2Xd639SrV/ https://www.bitchute.com/video/9Bf2Xd639SrV/ (summarized elegantly in a little over five minutes.)