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After last 4+ years with headlines of Russian influence/collusion and indictments/secret indictments/charges coming “any day now” (and nothing happening!)… Sur

After last 4+ years with headlines of Russian influence/collusion and indictments/secret indictments/charges coming “any day now” (and nothing happening!)… Sure. This time it really was the Russians. Because in the middle of the largest military intervention Russia had since the fall of the USSR they would devote resources and care about what happens in Ottawa. It all makes sense.

arcticbull 5y ago
It makes a lot of sense actually. Did you not see the result? Weeks of chaos and world attention. For the investment of a few bucks. The trucker campaign is also a replay of the Chilean trucker strikes. I guess my question to you is: do you think a 16 year veteran of the KGB - a warmonger with a lust for the Soviet Union - and a vendetta against the west for brining it down, with total control over an enemy state is more likely to or not to be conducting destabilization campaigns in enemy states? I think a study would be interesting and I would be happy to hear either outcome. However, I strongly suspect there's nothing anyone would tell you that would change your mind one way or the other. Before you answer, remember, he is currently trying to set fire to Europe's largest nuclear reactor. Further, you seem to be alluding to American politics, I am not talking about America at all.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > do you think a 16 year veteran of the KGB - a warmonger with a lust for the Soviet Union - and a vendetta against the west for brining it down, with total control over an enemy state is more likely to or not to be conducting destabilization campaigns in enemy states? I'm sure it was the KGB behind the thousands small amount donations from verifiable United States and Canadian citizens. The Spetnaz are probably behind the bouncy castle and hot tub the protester brought! Look at these dangerous criminals! [0] [1] > Further, you seem to be alluding to American politics, I am not talking about America at all. And yet it’s the same tactics and media spin across the borders. "but this time it really is the Russians! Just trust us..." [0] https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/07/14/53878649-10480717-image-a-13_1644244948028.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/07/14/53878649-10480717... [1] https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/07/17/53885525-10480717-image-a-23_1644254044023.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/07/17/53885525-10480717...
  - arcticbull 5y ago
    Your sarcasm is as obnoxious as it is irrelevant. Of course the KGB no longer exists - it's the FSB now - I was referring to Putin's work experience. They need not be behind very specific instances to be responsible for sowing discontent in general and fostering division. These are exactly the kinds of operations the KGB carried out during the cold war, and is a core part of Russian military doctrine to this day. [1] The fact is, if you refuse to accept that it's a possibility (even as I accept it may not have been) then the system works doesn't it. The thing is, when it works, people don't realize they have been influenced and they flat out refuse to believe it could have been by a state actor. The only politicians people complain about at work are bad politicians - the good ones already convinced you their idea was right. Ditto here. > And yet it’s the same tactics and media spin across the borders. "but this time it really is the Russians! Just trust us..." What do you mean "this time?" The Russians have never come up in the context of Canadian politics in my recent memory. Not as far as I can recall. Can you, or are you projecting American politics again? You know for all the pictures of bouncy castles, they also built a shack downtown and filled it with diesel and propane [2], were arrested with significant quantities of weapons [3] and also the leadership has ties with white supremacist organizations and white nationalists [4]. They pissed all over national monuments. [5] They stole food from homeless shelters. [6] And they fought people inside the Rideau Centre mall forcing it to close to protect workers. [7] All while blocking international commerce. This is just a choice few selections. Good riddance I say. For the record, 2/3 of Canadians support the Trudeau government's use of the Act, and only 1/3 voted for him - so I'd say that's a heck of a broad base of support. But go on. Tell me more about my people. You're not Canadian, are you? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation#Russian_disinformation_since_2000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation#Russian_disinfo... [2] https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/protesters-build-wooden-structure-in-downtown-ottawa-park-1.5766997 https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/protesters-build-wooden-structure-... [3] https://www.newsweek.com/canadian-police-arrest-11-batch-weapons-trucker-protest-1679088 https://www.newsweek.com/canadian-police-arrest-11-batch-wea... [4] https://globalnews.ca/news/8543281/covid-trucker-convoy-organizers-hate/ https://globalnews.ca/news/8543281/covid-trucker-convoy-orga... [5] https://www.blogto.com/city/2022/01/trucker-convoy-protest-urinating-national-monuments-ottawa/ https://www.blogto.com/city/2022/01/trucker-convoy-protest-u... [6] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/convoy-truckers-canada-soup-kitchen-b2003765.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/convoy-tru... [7] https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/egan-trucker-rights-trump-ours-asks-locked-out-rideau-centre-worker https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/egan-trucker-right...

arcticbull 5y ago

It makes a lot of sense actually. Did you not see the result? Weeks of chaos and world attention. For the investment of a few bucks. The trucker campaign is also a replay of the Chilean trucker strikes. I guess my question to you is: do you think a 16 year veteran of the KGB - a warmonger with a lust for the Soviet Union - and a vendetta against the west for brining it down, with total control over an enemy state is more likely to or not to be conducting destabilization campaigns in enemy states? I think a study would be interesting and I would be happy to hear either outcome. However, I strongly suspect there's nothing anyone would tell you that would change your mind one way or the other. Before you answer, remember, he is currently trying to set fire to Europe's largest nuclear reactor. Further, you seem to be alluding to American politics, I am not talking about America at all.

908B64B197 5y ago
> do you think a 16 year veteran of the KGB - a warmonger with a lust for the Soviet Union - and a vendetta against the west for brining it down, with total control over an enemy state is more likely to or not to be conducting destabilization campaigns in enemy states? I'm sure it was the KGB behind the thousands small amount donations from verifiable United States and Canadian citizens. The Spetnaz are probably behind the bouncy castle and hot tub the protester brought! Look at these dangerous criminals! [0] [1] > Further, you seem to be alluding to American politics, I am not talking about America at all. And yet it’s the same tactics and media spin across the borders. "but this time it really is the Russians! Just trust us..." [0] https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/07/14/53878649-10480717-image-a-13_1644244948028.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/07/14/53878649-10480717... [1] https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/07/17/53885525-10480717-image-a-23_1644254044023.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/07/17/53885525-10480717...
- arcticbull 5y ago
  Your sarcasm is as obnoxious as it is irrelevant. Of course the KGB no longer exists - it's the FSB now - I was referring to Putin's work experience. They need not be behind very specific instances to be responsible for sowing discontent in general and fostering division. These are exactly the kinds of operations the KGB carried out during the cold war, and is a core part of Russian military doctrine to this day. [1] The fact is, if you refuse to accept that it's a possibility (even as I accept it may not have been) then the system works doesn't it. The thing is, when it works, people don't realize they have been influenced and they flat out refuse to believe it could have been by a state actor. The only politicians people complain about at work are bad politicians - the good ones already convinced you their idea was right. Ditto here. > And yet it’s the same tactics and media spin across the borders. "but this time it really is the Russians! Just trust us..." What do you mean "this time?" The Russians have never come up in the context of Canadian politics in my recent memory. Not as far as I can recall. Can you, or are you projecting American politics again? You know for all the pictures of bouncy castles, they also built a shack downtown and filled it with diesel and propane [2], were arrested with significant quantities of weapons [3] and also the leadership has ties with white supremacist organizations and white nationalists [4]. They pissed all over national monuments. [5] They stole food from homeless shelters. [6] And they fought people inside the Rideau Centre mall forcing it to close to protect workers. [7] All while blocking international commerce. This is just a choice few selections. Good riddance I say. For the record, 2/3 of Canadians support the Trudeau government's use of the Act, and only 1/3 voted for him - so I'd say that's a heck of a broad base of support. But go on. Tell me more about my people. You're not Canadian, are you? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation#Russian_disinformation_since_2000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation#Russian_disinfo... [2] https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/protesters-build-wooden-structure-in-downtown-ottawa-park-1.5766997 https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/protesters-build-wooden-structure-... [3] https://www.newsweek.com/canadian-police-arrest-11-batch-weapons-trucker-protest-1679088 https://www.newsweek.com/canadian-police-arrest-11-batch-wea... [4] https://globalnews.ca/news/8543281/covid-trucker-convoy-organizers-hate/ https://globalnews.ca/news/8543281/covid-trucker-convoy-orga... [5] https://www.blogto.com/city/2022/01/trucker-convoy-protest-urinating-national-monuments-ottawa/ https://www.blogto.com/city/2022/01/trucker-convoy-protest-u... [6] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/convoy-truckers-canada-soup-kitchen-b2003765.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/convoy-tru... [7] https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/egan-trucker-rights-trump-ours-asks-locked-out-rideau-centre-worker https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/egan-trucker-right...