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It's because there is almost nothing that can be done. IQ is largely genetic, with a few social levers that can be pulled. We shouldn't expect from people what
by Kharvok 5y ago
It's because there is almost nothing that can be done. IQ is largely genetic, with a few social levers that can be pulled. We shouldn't expect from people what they are not capable of doing.
This applies to everyone.
- SpaceManNabs 5y agoThe rationalist gwern-types once again overestimating the predictive power of IQ. Also coming in with assumptions that people in poorer districts cannot have members of "remarkable enough" IQ that warrant distinction and treatment. Disappointing thread all around. Enough HN for today.
- Kharvok 5y agoYou aren't trying. We know IQ is predictive of success. No one is saying an individual from a poorer community can't be intelligent/academically successful. What we're saying is that we shouldn't hold someone born without the ability to be academically successful to unreasonable standards.
- SpaceManNabs 5y ago> What we're saying is that we shouldn't hold someone born without the ability to be academically successful to unreasonable standards. How does this relate to improving performance at schools in poor or de-stabilized districts? There are "high IQ" individuals there that merit attention. Yes we should address the amount of waste that these poor performing districts generate, but there is idea of a zero sum game in this thread between poorer and richer districts that encourages dismissal of solutions. Nobody has talked about intergenerational poverty yet in this thread. Just wild.
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- akomtu 5y agoIQ is probably the most predictive factor of success in our knowledge-first society. The catch is that IQ is a fuzzy variable: its measurements heavily depend on one's mood, the particular IQ test, the food one's eaten that day, hours slept and so on. However the highest measured IQ in ideal conditions is pretty stable.
- Hallucinaut 5y agoMore predictive than being wealthy? Strongly doubt.
- veganhouseDJ 5y agoThis is basically an argument against education in general. No one learns anything useful. "Education" is just a set of credentials that prove your IQ test wasn't a fluke. To me, that is just an absurd view of reality.
- Kharvok 5y agoI don't think people are advocating that education itself is just a signaling of inherent ability. This would be like saying it's pointless for an athlete to train because their maximum athletic ability is pretty much determined.
- slothtrop 5y agoThe success of given schools has nothing to do with IQ.