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I don't understand why it's my war. My congress hasn't declared war. My congressman hasn't said anything to that effect, and I'd write him a quite angry letter

I don't understand why it's my war. My congress hasn't declared war. My congressman hasn't said anything to that effect, and I'd write him a quite angry letter if he did. Some bureaucrats in the State Department might think it's their war, but that's not the same thing. If you're in any country but Ukraine think about WHY you're picking sides and who told you to do that.

watwut 5y ago
> you're in any country but Ukraine think about WHY you're picking sides and who told you to do that. The countries near Russia expect to be next. Part of Germany was under Russian control prior Fall of USSR. Which is why European countries care. NATO has multiple members that are members for this reason. EU has multiple members that see this as an active threat to them. The USA should care, because they promised protection to Ukraine in exchange of Ukraine getting rid of nuclear arsenal back in nineties. Not that USA would be reliable, but they should not be completely unreliable.
- Gollapalli 5y ago
  Thank you for giving an actual answer as to what our obligations are here. It’s the first time I’ve heard anyone make mention of that.
  - watwut 5y ago
    That nato members bordering with Russia see Russian expansion and Russian ambitions to restore old glory as direct threat is fascinatingly ignored aspect ... especially considering that "buffer zone" nonsense is being repeated as if Ukraine divided Russia from nato before And that USA is member of nato for own interests and that first time there is actual threat to nato they should not ignore it entirely is also fascinatingly ignored argument. And they surrounding countries taking in refugees is not not particular oddity since surrounding countries always have to take refugees when aggressor goes in is also ignored argument.
smegger001 5y ago
I am picking the side I have because I support representative government and liberal democracy, and am against oppression of free peoples. I am against dictatorship and cronyism. I support the rights of free people. I am against unjustified wars of conquest but am in favor of wars that will protect the principles value. I am disappointed that my country isn't doing more and faster.

watwut 5y ago

> you're in any country but Ukraine think about WHY you're picking sides and who told you to do that. The countries near Russia expect to be next. Part of Germany was under Russian control prior Fall of USSR. Which is why European countries care. NATO has multiple members that are members for this reason. EU has multiple members that see this as an active threat to them. The USA should care, because they promised protection to Ukraine in exchange of Ukraine getting rid of nuclear arsenal back in nineties. Not that USA would be reliable, but they should not be completely unreliable.

Gollapalli 5y ago
Thank you for giving an actual answer as to what our obligations are here. It’s the first time I’ve heard anyone make mention of that.
- watwut 5y ago
  That nato members bordering with Russia see Russian expansion and Russian ambitions to restore old glory as direct threat is fascinatingly ignored aspect ... especially considering that "buffer zone" nonsense is being repeated as if Ukraine divided Russia from nato before And that USA is member of nato for own interests and that first time there is actual threat to nato they should not ignore it entirely is also fascinatingly ignored argument. And they surrounding countries taking in refugees is not not particular oddity since surrounding countries always have to take refugees when aggressor goes in is also ignored argument.

smegger001 5y ago

I am picking the side I have because I support representative government and liberal democracy, and am against oppression of free peoples. I am against dictatorship and cronyism. I support the rights of free people. I am against unjustified wars of conquest but am in favor of wars that will protect the principles value. I am disappointed that my country isn't doing more and faster.