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People shouldn't get butt-hurt over this unless they are willing to put the same time and effort in. Asian parents for the most part aren't spending money to g
by jpgvm 5y ago
People shouldn't get butt-hurt over this unless they are willing to put the same time and effort in.
Asian parents for the most part aren't spending money to guarantee their kids entry into schools like this (though some are), the vast majority are just doing a better job of parenting because they don't have any other option if they want their kids to have a better life than what they came from.
I spend a lot of time in Asia so I have come to know many people that have saved up and made the move to Australia or the US in the hopes of giving their kids a better chance in life. They make every sacrifice to this end. Upending their lives, moving away from their social support network (often leaving grandparents behind which is a massive deal for Asian culture).
When you understand this it makes much more sense why there is so much pressure on the kids to do well and for the most part they accept that and most come to appreciate it once they are old enough to understand what it cost to get them where they are.
It's easy for a bunch of rich white folk to look at a nerdy Asian kid and think they have an unfair advantage but in reality an entire family worth of resources is likely behind that kid, trying to make them the best they can be.
Maybe instead of being racist dicks we can learn something from Asian culture here, atleast understand the tradeoffs and don't pretend it's not hard work and time that is powering these results.
- mrcrumb1 5y agoYour comment (and the article) seems to imply that Asian Americans try harder than other immigrant groups and Black people in the United States. Do you think that is a foregone conclusion?
- jimmygrapes 5y agoI'm taking the bait and saying yes, this is absolutely a factor. I will gladly discuss more about why I say this and the underlying issues. Society had spent far too many years dancing around or burying the cultural aspects for fear of stoking "racism" and such. The "ignore it and it will go away" tactic isn't working.
- sniperjoe360 5y agoHi Mr. Crumb, why beat the strawman? He didn't say that and the article didn't either. All he is saying is that Asians try really hard, not that Blacks or other groups are not trying.
- mrcrumb1 5y agoThe narrative in the article is that race based admissions replaced meritocratic admission in this case, and the achievements that the Asian American students received were due solely to their hard work. If this is the case, then the obvious conclusion is that the black students (who sat at 2% admission) or the Hispanic students (who sat at 14%) were not hard-working enough, or at the very least, were not as hard working as the Asian American students.
- p1nnopl 5y ago
- drekk 5y agoThat's not the obvious conclusion, it seems like you might be projecting. Immigrants are a biased sample (they have enough money to leave the country of their birth, enough education to get a visa, etc) Nigerian immigrants have higher educational attainment when compared to Nigerian-Americans that were born citizens. It doesn't mean Nigerians born in the US are lazy, only that they are operating under different circumstances. The idea that Asians are just inherently good at math or whatever is incredibly offensive, these things are a product of nurture not nature.
- mrcrumb1 5y agoI'm not sure where you got the idea that I was implying anything about innate characteristics of racial groups. I was trying to point out that the picture the article and the parent comment were painting was too simplistic. In general, I don't think any of those groups try harder than the rest and so saying something like "people shouldn't get butt-hurt over this unless they are willing to put the same time and effort in" is ignoring a lot of what goes into the dynamics at play here.
- commandlinefan 5y agoHas anybody ever studied the success rates of (just) immigrant groups specifically by race? I seem to recall reading that Nigerian immigrants specifically track similarly to Indian immigrants.
- Wiseacre 5y agoDo you have a source for that? I've heard this same point made before about why Jewish people are so successful compared to other races.
- honkdaddy 5y agoDo you think the opposite is true? That every immigrant or racial group places an exactly equal value on education, and any disparity we see is due only to systematic racism? Personally, I think the answer is somewhere in the middle.
- mrcrumb1 5y agoI tend to agree with you; I was pointing out that the comment I replied to was painting a pretty simplistic picture of why the admissions numbers might look the way they do, when in reality it's probably a more complicated picture.
- mshockwave 5y agoop didn't say that
- Gigachad 5y agoYes, that’s plainly obvious to anyone who pays attention.
- DiggyJohnson 5y agoOn average, my experience suggests: yes, definitely. Does your experience not suggest the same?