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The Hunter Biden Laptop story was openly censored, even when put forward by a journalist with the Post and Biden has admitted that laptop may have been his. ht

The Hunter Biden Laptop story was openly censored, even when put forward by a journalist with the Post and Biden has admitted that laptop may have been his. https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/the-hunter-biden-laptop-is-confirmed-color-us-shocked/ https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/the-hunter-biden-laptop-is-con... https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/09/21/double-trouble-for-biden-494411 https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/09/21/dou... Leftist bias at the intercept prevented Greenwald from publishing a story about it as well https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-quits-the-intercept-over-hunter-biden-article/ https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-quits-the-inte...

ryandrake 5y ago
News publications have to decide what is and isn't newsworthy, and it could be that this one just doesn't meet the bar. I know the right really really wants it to finally take off and gather steam, since they invested so much into it. It's a hard pill for them to swallow that HunterBidenLaptop just not that interesting or important. Kind of like Hillary's E-mails. At the end of the day nobody really cares about them. I mean, if I worked in a news room and wanted to publish a story about the president's cousin's roommate's great soup recipe, and the editor says "NO" does that mean I'm being censored?
- dev_by_day 5y ago
  You asked for examples of censorship and it was given to you. Irregardless of Greenwald, you can't deny twitter and social media outlets banning a New York Post journalist(and the White House Press Secretary) for sharing that story was not egregious censorship. Banning articles from journalists is censorship. Period.
  - ryandrake 5y ago
    Sorry, but I didn't ask for anything upthread. You might have meant to reply to someone else. Trying not to get involved with a flamewar, but it should be noted that there are many possible explanations of a paper's editorial decisions that do not invoke censorship.
    - dev_by_day 5y ago
      To clarify I gave an example of censorship first and it was ignored by you to create a a long winded argument about Greenwald. You never refuted the point that the original story was banned (even before Greenwald was brought up) or that leftist bias may have factored into there choice to not publish that article that turned out to be credible. Intercept is a left bias rated outlet https://www.allsides.com/news-source/intercept https://www.allsides.com/news-source/intercept a story about potential corruption from a candidates son is not the same thing as a "cousins recipe". That was a distasteful strawman.
nouveaux 5y ago
I don't know enough about the Hunter Biden Laptop story to know what's true and what's not, but your WSJ link is the opinion section. Can you link to a WSJ article not from the opinion section?
- dev_by_day 5y ago
  It was revealed to likely be real during the publishing of a book by a fairly neutral Politico journalist on Hunter Biden https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/the-hunter-biden-laptop-is-confirmed-color-us-shocked/ https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/the-hunter-biden-laptop-is-con... https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/09/21/double-trouble-for-biden-494411 https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/09/21/dou...
  - nouveaux 5y ago
    I've seen similar stories from nypost. I believe they broke the story but I haven't seen anything from WSJ. Can you post the WSJ articles on the story?
    - hunterb123 5y ago
      - JAlexoid 5y ago
        hunterb123 5y ago
  - leereeves 5y ago
    Its authenticity has even been acknowledged by The Guardian. "Now, however, almost no one disputes [the laptop's] authenticity." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/27/hunter-biden-joe-biden-president-business-dealings https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/27/hunter-biden...
micromacrofoot 5y ago
When a media agency internally decides not to publish something it might be biased, but that's generally not considered censorship. Censoring can be biased, but not all bias is censorship. Russia participates in censorship on a state level with its own state-run media agencies. These things are not equivalent. The Hunter Biden story is widely reported by numerous American media outlets.
- dev_by_day 5y ago
  > The Hunter Biden story is widely reported by numerous American media outlets. And that story was banned on social media unfairly(this banning was cheered on by Dems and left leaning folks), even though it turned it to be credible later. It was egregious censorship is the main point I am making here. As bad as Putin? No. Was it bad? Yes.
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    it’s not just “not as bad” it’s categorically a different thing
    - micromacrofoot 5y ago
      they’re easy categories: government enforced censorship (ie lose your freedom for disobeying) vs private businesses’ editorial discretion (ie just get your news from another company)
      - hunterb123 5y ago
        Just because you outsource censorship to tech companies to get around the 1A doesn't mean it's not censorship. The "muh private companies" argument ended long ago when government officials started using it as their main platform and we applied archive rules and prevented Trump from blocking people: https://www.wsj.com/articles/president-trump-cant-block-twitter-users-federal-appeals-court-rules-11562685206 https://www.wsj.com/articles/president-trump-cant-block-twit... You can't have it both ways. Let's investigate why they all decided at once to block it right before the election. Are they coordinating? Let's find out. Seems like an anti-trust issue. Point is, it's censorship, no matter how much people try to weasel out of it.
duxup 5y ago
The story was ignored by some outlets because the story smelled rotten. They were right. That’s their job.
- dev_by_day 5y ago
  How were they right? the story has been confirmed to be legitimate by organizations like politico and the guardian. Hunter Biden himself admitted the laptop may have been his. "Rotten" because it looks bad and goes against your bias doesn't make it worthy of censorship. Social media censoring a NY post journalist over this was censorship. Period.
  - duxup 5y ago
    “the story has been confirmed to be legitimate” You tell me what part of the story you think is true. A laptop existing isn’t the whole story right?
    - dev_by_day 5y ago
      What I believe to be true is not my point, its that the story was credible enough to be discussed and should not have been censored. I would feel the same if these accusations had been levied at one of trumps family members as well. The guardian goes more in depth on what aspects of hunter bidens business dealings are worth looking into(they discuss the laptop here as well): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/27/hunter-biden-joe-biden-president-business-dealings https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/27/hunter-biden...
      - duxup 5y ago
        All you’ve said is the laptop was his. That’s not a story at all, and not the reason the story was rotten. This reads like you’re not being very honest about the actual story that was being sold to news organizations.
        dev_by_day 5y ago

ryandrake 5y ago

News publications have to decide what is and isn't newsworthy, and it could be that this one just doesn't meet the bar. I know the right really really wants it to finally take off and gather steam, since they invested so much into it. It's a hard pill for them to swallow that HunterBidenLaptop just not that interesting or important. Kind of like Hillary's E-mails. At the end of the day nobody really cares about them. I mean, if I worked in a news room and wanted to publish a story about the president's cousin's roommate's great soup recipe, and the editor says "NO" does that mean I'm being censored?

dev_by_day 5y ago
You asked for examples of censorship and it was given to you. Irregardless of Greenwald, you can't deny twitter and social media outlets banning a New York Post journalist(and the White House Press Secretary) for sharing that story was not egregious censorship. Banning articles from journalists is censorship. Period.
- ryandrake 5y ago
  Sorry, but I didn't ask for anything upthread. You might have meant to reply to someone else. Trying not to get involved with a flamewar, but it should be noted that there are many possible explanations of a paper's editorial decisions that do not invoke censorship.
  - dev_by_day 5y ago
    To clarify I gave an example of censorship first and it was ignored by you to create a a long winded argument about Greenwald. You never refuted the point that the original story was banned (even before Greenwald was brought up) or that leftist bias may have factored into there choice to not publish that article that turned out to be credible. Intercept is a left bias rated outlet https://www.allsides.com/news-source/intercept https://www.allsides.com/news-source/intercept a story about potential corruption from a candidates son is not the same thing as a "cousins recipe". That was a distasteful strawman.

nouveaux 5y ago

I don't know enough about the Hunter Biden Laptop story to know what's true and what's not, but your WSJ link is the opinion section. Can you link to a WSJ article not from the opinion section?

dev_by_day 5y ago
It was revealed to likely be real during the publishing of a book by a fairly neutral Politico journalist on Hunter Biden https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/the-hunter-biden-laptop-is-confirmed-color-us-shocked/ https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/the-hunter-biden-laptop-is-con... https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/09/21/double-trouble-for-biden-494411 https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/09/21/dou...
- nouveaux 5y ago
  I've seen similar stories from nypost. I believe they broke the story but I haven't seen anything from WSJ. Can you post the WSJ articles on the story?
  - hunterb123 5y ago
    - JAlexoid 5y ago
      - hunterb123 5y ago
- leereeves 5y ago
  Its authenticity has even been acknowledged by The Guardian. "Now, however, almost no one disputes [the laptop's] authenticity." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/27/hunter-biden-joe-biden-president-business-dealings https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/27/hunter-biden...

micromacrofoot 5y ago

When a media agency internally decides not to publish something it might be biased, but that's generally not considered censorship. Censoring can be biased, but not all bias is censorship. Russia participates in censorship on a state level with its own state-run media agencies. These things are not equivalent. The Hunter Biden story is widely reported by numerous American media outlets.

dev_by_day 5y ago
> The Hunter Biden story is widely reported by numerous American media outlets. And that story was banned on social media unfairly(this banning was cheered on by Dems and left leaning folks), even though it turned it to be credible later. It was egregious censorship is the main point I am making here. As bad as Putin? No. Was it bad? Yes.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  it’s not just “not as bad” it’s categorically a different thing
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    they’re easy categories: government enforced censorship (ie lose your freedom for disobeying) vs private businesses’ editorial discretion (ie just get your news from another company)
    - hunterb123 5y ago
      Just because you outsource censorship to tech companies to get around the 1A doesn't mean it's not censorship. The "muh private companies" argument ended long ago when government officials started using it as their main platform and we applied archive rules and prevented Trump from blocking people: https://www.wsj.com/articles/president-trump-cant-block-twitter-users-federal-appeals-court-rules-11562685206 https://www.wsj.com/articles/president-trump-cant-block-twit... You can't have it both ways. Let's investigate why they all decided at once to block it right before the election. Are they coordinating? Let's find out. Seems like an anti-trust issue. Point is, it's censorship, no matter how much people try to weasel out of it.

duxup 5y ago

The story was ignored by some outlets because the story smelled rotten. They were right. That’s their job.

dev_by_day 5y ago
How were they right? the story has been confirmed to be legitimate by organizations like politico and the guardian. Hunter Biden himself admitted the laptop may have been his. "Rotten" because it looks bad and goes against your bias doesn't make it worthy of censorship. Social media censoring a NY post journalist over this was censorship. Period.
- duxup 5y ago
  “the story has been confirmed to be legitimate” You tell me what part of the story you think is true. A laptop existing isn’t the whole story right?
  - dev_by_day 5y ago
    What I believe to be true is not my point, its that the story was credible enough to be discussed and should not have been censored. I would feel the same if these accusations had been levied at one of trumps family members as well. The guardian goes more in depth on what aspects of hunter bidens business dealings are worth looking into(they discuss the laptop here as well): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/27/hunter-biden-joe-biden-president-business-dealings https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/27/hunter-biden...
    - duxup 5y ago
      All you’ve said is the laptop was his. That’s not a story at all, and not the reason the story was rotten. This reads like you’re not being very honest about the actual story that was being sold to news organizations.
      - dev_by_day 5y ago