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>Parents who are interested in boosting their children scholastically are not necessarily privelidged. Believing in the value of education and pushing your chi

>Parents who are interested in boosting their children scholastically are not necessarily privelidged. Believing in the value of education and pushing your children to achieve educationally is an inherent demonstration of the possession of privilege.

nescioquid 5y ago
If "believing in the value of education...is an inherent demonstration of the possession of privilege", then mere belief can render one privileged or unprivileged. This sort of thinking seems...religious.
- thelock85 5y ago
  Agree to some extent but you are not addressing the “pushing toward achievement” part of the comment. A parent can only push as far as their ability to identify, access and afford opportunities, and that’s where privilege does play a major role in terms of information asymmetry and spending power.
  - ryan93 5y ago
    information asymmetry? what parent doesnt have access to the knowledge that doing well on your homework and tests in school will lead to better college opportunities.
    - Lascaille 5y ago
      >access to the knowledge Having 'access to knowledge' is one thing. Believing that knowledge - say, from personal experience of it applying to people you know - is privilege.
    - thelock85 5y ago
      Examples of information asymmetry: - not understanding standard of care regulations around early childhood education and thus believing that your child's current learning environment is of sufficient quality or not knowing there are paths to advocate/demand more - having your child attend a school that lumps all students with learning differences and behavioral issues in the same classroom (for all kinds of systemic reasons like the lack of qualified special education teachers), and not understanding how to get your child diagnosed in a way that gives them legally-mandated better accommodations... like more time to take the "tests in school" - having the school itself be unaware or untrained in all of the accommodations your child could possibly need, or having the school be ambiguous about where learning/values/behaviors are the responsibility of the school vs. home, and thus having no direction on how to partner with your child's school An okay analogy is "doing taxes". Sure all of the rules, codes, regulations are there in plain sight, but unless you know someone who has maximized their tax return under a similar situation as your own, then you're just doing your best unless you have the resources to hire an accountant. Similarly, a parent can know all of the ingredients that go into a successful education pathway, and can endeavor to understand all of the rules and regulations. But with no understanding of how these things play out for their kid's specific use case (or with no money for tutors, test prep, application coaches, college visits) then it can be tough sledding in actual practice.
      - Lascaille 5y ago
        Precisely. Knowing, from experience, what a good school should 'look like' (in terms of what to expect from the teachers and staff) - in order to determine that your kid isn't in one - is privilege.
        ryan93 5y ago
        Everyone can recognize a particularly bad school
  - nescioquid 5y ago
    I don't think the "pushing towards achievement part" is terribly important because anyone can act on a belief they hold. Had the comment included a value or quantity of resources that needed to be expended to be considered privileged, well, then that's a different discussion.
    - Lascaille 5y ago
      >anyone can act on a belief they hold Knowing how to act in a productive and effective manner is privilege.
kbelder 5y ago
A privilege that anybody can adopt.
- JoeAltmaier 5y ago
  Children cannot adopt it. It's a benefit they receive entirely because of their parents. That's the whole point, that so many are contorting their logic to ignore: children all deserve a chance. To make education a game that parents play is to tragically disadvantage innocents.
sniperjoe360 5y ago
I think you have the implication backwards. Priviledge does lead to valuing education. But lack of priviledge can also lead to valuing education. For example, the janitor dad who wants a "better life" for their kid, and pays for their college education by working overtime. Or the single mother who puts her child through school working two jobs as a secretary and waitress. These are generic, but just look around. There are countless examples I'm sure from your own life. So the problem lies not with privilege or lack thereof of parents. It's the fact that in this country good education is scarce. Education is a public good and should ideally not be a scarce resource.

nescioquid 5y ago

If "believing in the value of education...is an inherent demonstration of the possession of privilege", then mere belief can render one privileged or unprivileged. This sort of thinking seems...religious.

thelock85 5y ago
Agree to some extent but you are not addressing the “pushing toward achievement” part of the comment. A parent can only push as far as their ability to identify, access and afford opportunities, and that’s where privilege does play a major role in terms of information asymmetry and spending power.
- ryan93 5y ago
  information asymmetry? what parent doesnt have access to the knowledge that doing well on your homework and tests in school will lead to better college opportunities.
  - Lascaille 5y ago
    >access to the knowledge Having 'access to knowledge' is one thing. Believing that knowledge - say, from personal experience of it applying to people you know - is privilege.
  - thelock85 5y ago
    Examples of information asymmetry: - not understanding standard of care regulations around early childhood education and thus believing that your child's current learning environment is of sufficient quality or not knowing there are paths to advocate/demand more - having your child attend a school that lumps all students with learning differences and behavioral issues in the same classroom (for all kinds of systemic reasons like the lack of qualified special education teachers), and not understanding how to get your child diagnosed in a way that gives them legally-mandated better accommodations... like more time to take the "tests in school" - having the school itself be unaware or untrained in all of the accommodations your child could possibly need, or having the school be ambiguous about where learning/values/behaviors are the responsibility of the school vs. home, and thus having no direction on how to partner with your child's school An okay analogy is "doing taxes". Sure all of the rules, codes, regulations are there in plain sight, but unless you know someone who has maximized their tax return under a similar situation as your own, then you're just doing your best unless you have the resources to hire an accountant. Similarly, a parent can know all of the ingredients that go into a successful education pathway, and can endeavor to understand all of the rules and regulations. But with no understanding of how these things play out for their kid's specific use case (or with no money for tutors, test prep, application coaches, college visits) then it can be tough sledding in actual practice.
    - Lascaille 5y ago
      Precisely. Knowing, from experience, what a good school should 'look like' (in terms of what to expect from the teachers and staff) - in order to determine that your kid isn't in one - is privilege.
      - ryan93 5y ago
        Everyone can recognize a particularly bad school
- nescioquid 5y ago
  I don't think the "pushing towards achievement part" is terribly important because anyone can act on a belief they hold. Had the comment included a value or quantity of resources that needed to be expended to be considered privileged, well, then that's a different discussion.
  - Lascaille 5y ago
    >anyone can act on a belief they hold Knowing how to act in a productive and effective manner is privilege.

kbelder 5y ago

A privilege that anybody can adopt.

JoeAltmaier 5y ago
Children cannot adopt it. It's a benefit they receive entirely because of their parents. That's the whole point, that so many are contorting their logic to ignore: children all deserve a chance. To make education a game that parents play is to tragically disadvantage innocents.

sniperjoe360 5y ago

I think you have the implication backwards. Priviledge does lead to valuing education. But lack of priviledge can also lead to valuing education. For example, the janitor dad who wants a "better life" for their kid, and pays for their college education by working overtime. Or the single mother who puts her child through school working two jobs as a secretary and waitress. These are generic, but just look around. There are countless examples I'm sure from your own life. So the problem lies not with privilege or lack thereof of parents. It's the fact that in this country good education is scarce. Education is a public good and should ideally not be a scarce resource.