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Gotta love how discrimination is so easily spread. Like, this guy has said very many times in public that he doesn’t support the invasion, but he’s Russian, y’k
by endisneigh 5y ago
Gotta love how discrimination is so easily spread. Like, this guy has said very many times in public that he doesn’t support the invasion, but he’s Russian, y’know?
It’s sad how humanity just keeps doing the same thing over and over…
- imbnwa 5y agoIn the domain of Mixed Martial Arts there's a discussion over whether to permit Russian nationals to have fights, even though the majority of Russian nationals in MMA are from colonized ethnic groups who live in the southern Russian republics, e.g. Chechnya, Dagestan, etc. Amateur wrestling would be completely fucked if it were to conceive and follow through on such a ban given the hegemony in amateur wrestling these southern Russian republics hold there, particularly Dagestan.
- JaimeThompson 5y ago>Chechnya Even if the invasion had never happened boycotting Chechnya would have been acceptable given their previous actions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya#LGBT_rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya#LGBT_rights
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- imbnwa 5y agoSure, but that's independent of the current conversation while not being wrong in its own context.
- version_five 5y agoAgreed - I can't believe how quickly the "mainstream" had adopted a hatred basically of a whole people based on the actions of an autocratic leader that does not represent them, and where speaking out would almost certainly have very bad consequences. We should be doing everything we can to stop Putin from waging war, but casual hatred of a group is not helpful or appropriate, even if it's the obvious extension of all the online mob behavior we've seen in recent years.
- altcognito 5y ago“Do everything we can, but not this, this is too harsh.”
- pbourke 5y agoCan you not see how this statement must be true at some point?
- ProAm 5y agoI do not believe this can be classified as hatred.
- mynameishere 5y agoThat is true. Hatred by itself is inactive.
- pbourke 5y agoI don’t know why you’re being downvoted. What you say is correct and ethical, in my view. Putin and the Russian government are to blame, not random Russian citizens.
- Miner49er 5y agoI believe the goal of sanctions like this is to make the people mad at their leaders. So you sanction Russian citizens in the hope it'll help motivate them to create change. Not sure it could work with Russia, but maybe?
- veganhouseDJ 5y agoI don't understand how anyone thinks this can work when the one opposition leader has been poisoned and put in jail.
- jjgreen 5y ago> an autocratic leader that does not represent them They did elect him (with 76.69% of the vote).
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- endisneigh 5y agoThe solution is obviously to punish those causing the harm directly, no? Obviously much easier said than done. Also not sure why you’re mentioning America here - the article is about Norway
- goto11 5y ago> The solution is obviously to punish those causing the harm directly, no? You mean direct war against Russia? That would certainly also cause collateral damage on innocents.
- endisneigh 5y agoFighting the people directly who are holding the guns will do less “collateral damage” than uniform discrimination of all Russians. I’m not a fan of violence in general, though. Ideally they’d find another way without killing anyone.
- goto11 5y ago> Fighting the people directly who are holding the guns will do less “collateral damage” than uniform discrimination of all Russians. Nato forces directly attacking Russian military in Ukraine would be the start of a third world war. The collateral damage of a direct war between Nato and Russia would be unfathomable.
- quickthrowman 5y ago> Fighting the people directly who are holding the guns will do less “collateral damage” than uniform discrimination of all Russians. Nuclear war between NATO and Russia would cause less collateral damage than Russian people not getting to play chess tournaments for an indefinite period of time? I disagree.
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- throw10920 5y agoThis is completely, totally wrong. There's no "discrimination" here - Grischuk is a Russian citizen, which is why he's being kicked out of the tournament, along with the other Russian citizens mentioned - their ethnicity is a non-factor. The only relevant issue is the question as to whether all Russian citizens (regardless of ethnicity) should be banned from these kinds of events (more generally: have sanctions and sanction-adjacent actions taken against them), or just those who have directly contributed to the invasion (Putin, his military advisors, some Russian oligarchs maybe?) - which is a good topic for discussion. Claiming "discrimination", on the other hand, is factually incorrect, blatant emotional manipulation & unnecessary flamewar-bait, and does not belong on HN.
- endisneigh 5y agoYour comment is the one that’s blatantly wrong - no one mentioned discrimination on the basis of ethnicity other than you. Discriminating on nationality is still discrimination.
- throw10920 5y agoDiscriminating based on nationality is only "discrimination" in the sense that you're differentiating between two groups of people, and treating them differently. It's not bad - unlike discriminating based on race. GP clearly meant "discrimination" in the discriminating-against-a-protected-class use of a term, which discrimination based on nationality is not.
- cool_dude85 5y ago>Grischuk is a Russian citizen, which is why he's being kicked out of the tournament I assume Giri for example still has citizenship - I wonder if he will be banned despite not representing Russia.