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It's a fallacy to consider Russian people are "innocent" in this situation. The nation as a whole is complicit to choosing the same old dictator for 20+ years.

It's a fallacy to consider Russian people are "innocent" in this situation. The nation as a whole is complicit to choosing the same old dictator for 20+ years. Like Germans in 1930s. Also, why should Ukrainian cities be bombed every day, while Russians just happily go about their daily lives? It's morally inexcusable. > they need to get driver's license online to be renewed but couldn't because their DMV website is inaccessible Perhaps, they can go to the DMV office?

ipaddr 5y ago
Like those Jewish Germans? Would you punish them for Hilter's actions?
mardifoufs 5y ago
This is oddly reminiscent of the justification Osama bin laden gave for 9/11 and it's a bit shocking. Why would Americans civilians be "innocent" and just happily go about their daily lives while middle eastern cities were bombed and Muslims were routinely killed by the American military? Do you not see how dangerous that rhetoric is?
swat535 5y ago
> choosing the same old dictator for 20+ years You don't _choose_ a dictator.. Dictators stay in power by force: they kill, torture, jail and brainwash people. They control the media and monitor all communications and anyone who speaks against them will suffer dire consequences. Perhaps you ask, well why don't people just "rise up"? Take up arms and overthrow the regime? Well in that case, the government would rather flatten the entire nation with airstrikes than let the rebels win.. Even after painting the streets with their own blood and somehow accomplishing this, there is no guarantee that a democracy would take place if the central government is weakened.. Still don't believe me? Look at the Arab spring and where it led the people of Egypt and Syria. Honestly, the comments on HN regarding this matter are very naive.. PS: If you think you have the stomach for it and want to _actually_ see what this path ends up looking like, have a look at The Cave: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7178226 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7178226 (Warning: very graphic)
- tsol 5y ago
  I don't know how people keep missing this. It's especially ironic, considering we just came from 4 years of hearing "I hate Trump he's not my president I wish we could kick him out but my voice is too small".

ipaddr 5y ago

Like those Jewish Germans? Would you punish them for Hilter's actions?

mardifoufs 5y ago

This is oddly reminiscent of the justification Osama bin laden gave for 9/11 and it's a bit shocking. Why would Americans civilians be "innocent" and just happily go about their daily lives while middle eastern cities were bombed and Muslims were routinely killed by the American military? Do you not see how dangerous that rhetoric is?

swat535 5y ago

> choosing the same old dictator for 20+ years You don't _choose_ a dictator.. Dictators stay in power by force: they kill, torture, jail and brainwash people. They control the media and monitor all communications and anyone who speaks against them will suffer dire consequences. Perhaps you ask, well why don't people just "rise up"? Take up arms and overthrow the regime? Well in that case, the government would rather flatten the entire nation with airstrikes than let the rebels win.. Even after painting the streets with their own blood and somehow accomplishing this, there is no guarantee that a democracy would take place if the central government is weakened.. Still don't believe me? Look at the Arab spring and where it led the people of Egypt and Syria. Honestly, the comments on HN regarding this matter are very naive.. PS: If you think you have the stomach for it and want to _actually_ see what this path ends up looking like, have a look at The Cave: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7178226 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7178226 (Warning: very graphic)

tsol 5y ago
I don't know how people keep missing this. It's especially ironic, considering we just came from 4 years of hearing "I hate Trump he's not my president I wish we could kick him out but my voice is too small".