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If we take international law as a basis for our arguments, then Armenia has illegally occupied territories that de jure belong to Azerbaijan [1], brutally massa

by jmstfv 5y ago

If we take international law as a basis for our arguments, then Armenia has illegally occupied territories that de jure belong to Azerbaijan [1], brutally massacred civilians [2], destroyed and looted cities [3][4], and left more than 700,000+ people homeless [5]. Armenia is the aggressor here. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_Security_Council_resolutions_on_the_Nagorno-Karabakh_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_Securit... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khojaly_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khojaly_massacre [3] https://www.meydan.tv/en/article/ghost-town-of-aghdam/ https://www.meydan.tv/en/article/ghost-town-of-aghdam/ [4] https://www.reddit.com/r/azerbaijan/comments/jumrv3/on_the_left_is_the_part_of_agdam_which_has_been/ https://www.reddit.com/r/azerbaijan/comments/jumrv3/on_the_l... [5] https://reliefweb.int/report/armenia/armeniaazerbaijan-myths-and-realities-karabakh-war https://reliefweb.int/report/armenia/armeniaazerbaijan-myths...

tumanian 5y ago
To further add detail, the un resolution is focused sqarely on kelbajar region, which in any negotiation logic (madrid, kazan, etc) was slated to return to Azerbajan once the status of Karabakh was determined
- jmstfv 5y ago
  Wrong. 822: > Calls for the cessation of hostilities and the withdrawal of all occupying forces from the Kelbajar district and other recently occupied areas 853: > calls on the withdrawal of the occupying forces from the district of Agdam and other recently occupied areas of the Republic of Azerbaijan 874: > Reaffirms sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Azerbaijani Republic > calls for the preservation of the ceasefire, cessation of hostilities and withdrawal of forces from recently occupied districts of the Republic of Azerbaijan 884: > calls for the "withdrawal of occupying forces" from the Zangelan district and the city of Goradiz
tumanian 5y ago
Please stop spreading propaganda. The khojali massacre has not been confirmed anywhere but azerbajani sources. In the meanwhile please refer to bombing of stepanakert with cluster munitions and precision bombing of maternity wards, hospitals and churches.
- utdemir 5y ago
  I'm sorry in advance for perpetuating the flamewar. Disclaimer: Turkish here. I do not deny the Armenian Genocide, or think it was right for Azerbaijan to reclaim Karabakh with this way. You are falling to the same fallacy as the Turkish government: * Claiming Khojali massacre is a lie, disregarding the documented facts. Do not bring yourself down to the same level as genocide deniers; they will beat you with experience. * The "they did that too" argument; as if any horrible act legitimizes the other one. So, it makes a much better discussion if we all agree on documented facts and try to move forward from there (if there is any solution to move forward to). The "Armenian Genocide didn't happen" versus "Khojali Massacre didn't happen" discussion seems childish at this point, and it is not going to help either side in the long run.
- jmstfv 5y ago
  You don't get to call facts propaganda when they don't match your warped version of reality. You haven't presented a single shred of evidence disproving my claims - because you can't. Khojaly massacre is recognized by various governments and international organizations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_Khojaly_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_t...

by jmstfv 5y ago

tumanian 5y ago

To further add detail, the un resolution is focused sqarely on kelbajar region, which in any negotiation logic (madrid, kazan, etc) was slated to return to Azerbajan once the status of Karabakh was determined

jmstfv 5y ago
Wrong. 822: > Calls for the cessation of hostilities and the withdrawal of all occupying forces from the Kelbajar district and other recently occupied areas 853: > calls on the withdrawal of the occupying forces from the district of Agdam and other recently occupied areas of the Republic of Azerbaijan 874: > Reaffirms sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Azerbaijani Republic > calls for the preservation of the ceasefire, cessation of hostilities and withdrawal of forces from recently occupied districts of the Republic of Azerbaijan 884: > calls for the "withdrawal of occupying forces" from the Zangelan district and the city of Goradiz

tumanian 5y ago

Please stop spreading propaganda. The khojali massacre has not been confirmed anywhere but azerbajani sources. In the meanwhile please refer to bombing of stepanakert with cluster munitions and precision bombing of maternity wards, hospitals and churches.

utdemir 5y ago
I'm sorry in advance for perpetuating the flamewar. Disclaimer: Turkish here. I do not deny the Armenian Genocide, or think it was right for Azerbaijan to reclaim Karabakh with this way. You are falling to the same fallacy as the Turkish government: * Claiming Khojali massacre is a lie, disregarding the documented facts. Do not bring yourself down to the same level as genocide deniers; they will beat you with experience. * The "they did that too" argument; as if any horrible act legitimizes the other one. So, it makes a much better discussion if we all agree on documented facts and try to move forward from there (if there is any solution to move forward to). The "Armenian Genocide didn't happen" versus "Khojali Massacre didn't happen" discussion seems childish at this point, and it is not going to help either side in the long run.
jmstfv 5y ago
You don't get to call facts propaganda when they don't match your warped version of reality. You haven't presented a single shred of evidence disproving my claims - because you can't. Khojaly massacre is recognized by various governments and international organizations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_Khojaly_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_t...