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If you use ProtonMail or any other "private" email provider that will be why. I've had so many accounts blocked, locked, banned, and so on just because I use Pr

If you use ProtonMail or any other "private" email provider that will be why. I've had so many accounts blocked, locked, banned, and so on just because I use ProtonMail without a custom domain. I use the premium domain now (pm.me) for important things that I can't afford to go wrong. These companies have a list of things they check for and if your score reaches a threshold you'll just be automatically locked out. In a lot of cases support will be totally useless and unable to help. I've tried to buy things before and been locked out, then just didn't bother, so it's their loss too. Some offenders I've come across: * Apple * Amazon * Ebay * Netlify * Patreon * Discord * Vercel (formerly ZEIT) * SpareRoom

dleslie 5y ago
Just having the origin be in ProtonMail servers is enough to be flagged. I use custom domains, with all the security options available, with ProtonMail and still my outgoing Email is frequently flagged as suspicious. But I figure this is the price that I pay for not using Gmail or Outlook.
- c7DJTLrn 5y ago
  >But I figure this is the price that I pay for not using Gmail or Outlook That's one way of looking at it. Over the years that price has risen and it's getting to the point where I'm not sure if I want to pay it anymore. Is being paranoid about my flight boarding pass being cancelled over my damn email address worth the privacy? Is being paranoid over whether an important email I've sent has actually reached someone and not hit a provider-level filter worth the privacy? I'm not sure anymore.
  - mbg721 5y ago
    Moreover, have we decided that the concept of a "boarding pass" is acceptable?? You used to just show up, pay, and ride.
    - pc86 5y ago
      Yes, we have, as long as your definition of "we" includes "society" or "people who aren't Sovereign Citizens." I don't know anyone who thinks an airline boarding pass is "unacceptable."
      - mbg721 5y ago
        I know a lot of people who kind of put up with it because "I guess that's how it has to be." That sort of compromise is pretty fragile in the longer term.
        pessimizer 5y ago
        We were lobsters in a pot. Watching the relationship that we used to have with air travel and airports in movies from the 90s and before must be surrealistic to young people.
        kelnos 5y ago
        You must be in a pretty restrictive bubble if you believe the "compromise" needed to accept the boarding pass system creates a fragile situation. If you were talking about the security theater around travel, as well as garbage like secret no-fly lists, I'd agree with you. But requiring a boarding pass to get on a plane is no more ridiculous to a near-total majority of humans than requiring a ticket to watch a movie at a theater.
        mbg721 5y ago
        Does Ridley Scott get a list of the names of people who watch his films?
        deleted 5y ago
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        fredoliveira 5y ago
        I'm not sure how you equate watching a movie (which many would consider a relatively safe activity) to riding a plane with hundreds of other people (which some might consider not necessarily risky, but riskier). But sure, I guess I'll say "no, he doesn't". Now what?
  - nahkoots 5y ago
    For me it'll be "yes". If an airline cancels my boarding pass because they don't like my email address (?), too bad for them, they just lost a sale. If someone keeps missing important emails because their provider's spam checker isn't very good, that's not my problem. Although I have to say that I don't run into these situations very frequently, and I use a basic postfix/dovecot setup on a VPS for my mail.
    - leephillips 5y ago
      Same situation and attitude on my part. It doesn’t happen often, but when someone is not getting my email (usually hotmail or some other garbage provider) I tell them to complain to their email provider or get a new one. My mail is going out, my server logs show everything is OK, and I will not jump through hoops to prove that I am not a spammer (I already jumped through the DKIM, etc. hoops).
    - aspyct 5y ago
      On the other hand, if you lose a sale because of lost emails, that's annoying...
    - vineyardmike 5y ago
      > If an airline cancels my boarding pass because they don't like my email address (?), too bad for them, they just lost a sale. Sure but now you can't get home. I travel a ton, and this would be a major issue for me. You can't always just get on a different plane. Lucky you i guess, but airlines are one of those things that most people can't mess with.
    - c7DJTLrn 5y ago
      >If an airline cancels my boarding pass because they don't like my email address (?), too bad for them, they just lost a sale. Trust me, they don't care, I say this from experience. They don't seem to even have insight into these bans or the volume they're happening in. I had to spam Amazon support on and off for two years to get my account unlocked. And we all know how much Amazon cares about the customer... pah. Standing your ground as a customer doesn't do anything but make life a misery.
    - 5y ago
  - AshamedCaptain 5y ago
    There are a lot of intermediate options and smaller (& older) ISPs other than ProtonMail or Gmail. For some reason it's very tempting to go to the big names.
- nicoburns 5y ago
  > But I figure this is the price that I pay for not using Gmail or Outlook. Fastmail doesn't seem to have this issue either.
  - dleslie 5y ago
    Fastmail also hosts mail on American and Australian servers, using encryption keys they control, making it unsafe for foreigners to use.
orangepurple 5y ago
Now I understand how people are backed into a corner and feel the need to fight a war
nyuszika7h 5y ago
Hmm, I haven't had issues with Tutanota on Apple and Discord, though I don't use it for my main accounts, only alternate ones.
throwawayboise 5y ago
I'm on a few different tech-oriented email lists. The ProtonMail users are all weird. Extraordinarly argumentative and paranoid. Ask questions and then riducule the answers, almost always on the basis of far-fetched "security" concerns. Rarely contribute substantively, mostly seem to be there to virtue-signal their security awareness at every opportunity. They are tedious.
- c7DJTLrn 5y ago
  ProtonMail is arguably the biggest privacy brand, especially when it comes to well... email. They do a bit of marketing as well which people who aren't so technical are going to be picked up by. It's the same situation as with VPNs being advertised on YouTube. Both of these kinds of products are used by paranoid people who don't have an understanding of what they're protecting themselves from.
- genewitch 5y ago
  protonmail is the @aol.com of this age?

dleslie 5y ago

Just having the origin be in ProtonMail servers is enough to be flagged. I use custom domains, with all the security options available, with ProtonMail and still my outgoing Email is frequently flagged as suspicious. But I figure this is the price that I pay for not using Gmail or Outlook.

c7DJTLrn 5y ago
>But I figure this is the price that I pay for not using Gmail or Outlook That's one way of looking at it. Over the years that price has risen and it's getting to the point where I'm not sure if I want to pay it anymore. Is being paranoid about my flight boarding pass being cancelled over my damn email address worth the privacy? Is being paranoid over whether an important email I've sent has actually reached someone and not hit a provider-level filter worth the privacy? I'm not sure anymore.
- mbg721 5y ago
  Moreover, have we decided that the concept of a "boarding pass" is acceptable?? You used to just show up, pay, and ride.
  - pc86 5y ago
    Yes, we have, as long as your definition of "we" includes "society" or "people who aren't Sovereign Citizens." I don't know anyone who thinks an airline boarding pass is "unacceptable."
    - mbg721 5y ago
      I know a lot of people who kind of put up with it because "I guess that's how it has to be." That sort of compromise is pretty fragile in the longer term.
      - pessimizer 5y ago
        We were lobsters in a pot. Watching the relationship that we used to have with air travel and airports in movies from the 90s and before must be surrealistic to young people.
      - kelnos 5y ago
        You must be in a pretty restrictive bubble if you believe the "compromise" needed to accept the boarding pass system creates a fragile situation. If you were talking about the security theater around travel, as well as garbage like secret no-fly lists, I'd agree with you. But requiring a boarding pass to get on a plane is no more ridiculous to a near-total majority of humans than requiring a ticket to watch a movie at a theater.
        mbg721 5y ago
        Does Ridley Scott get a list of the names of people who watch his films?
        deleted 5y ago
        [deleted]
        fredoliveira 5y ago
        I'm not sure how you equate watching a movie (which many would consider a relatively safe activity) to riding a plane with hundreds of other people (which some might consider not necessarily risky, but riskier). But sure, I guess I'll say "no, he doesn't". Now what?
- nahkoots 5y ago
  For me it'll be "yes". If an airline cancels my boarding pass because they don't like my email address (?), too bad for them, they just lost a sale. If someone keeps missing important emails because their provider's spam checker isn't very good, that's not my problem. Although I have to say that I don't run into these situations very frequently, and I use a basic postfix/dovecot setup on a VPS for my mail.
  - leephillips 5y ago
    Same situation and attitude on my part. It doesn’t happen often, but when someone is not getting my email (usually hotmail or some other garbage provider) I tell them to complain to their email provider or get a new one. My mail is going out, my server logs show everything is OK, and I will not jump through hoops to prove that I am not a spammer (I already jumped through the DKIM, etc. hoops).
  - aspyct 5y ago
    On the other hand, if you lose a sale because of lost emails, that's annoying...
  - vineyardmike 5y ago
    > If an airline cancels my boarding pass because they don't like my email address (?), too bad for them, they just lost a sale. Sure but now you can't get home. I travel a ton, and this would be a major issue for me. You can't always just get on a different plane. Lucky you i guess, but airlines are one of those things that most people can't mess with.
  - c7DJTLrn 5y ago
    >If an airline cancels my boarding pass because they don't like my email address (?), too bad for them, they just lost a sale. Trust me, they don't care, I say this from experience. They don't seem to even have insight into these bans or the volume they're happening in. I had to spam Amazon support on and off for two years to get my account unlocked. And we all know how much Amazon cares about the customer... pah. Standing your ground as a customer doesn't do anything but make life a misery.
  - 5y ago
- AshamedCaptain 5y ago
  There are a lot of intermediate options and smaller (& older) ISPs other than ProtonMail or Gmail. For some reason it's very tempting to go to the big names.
nicoburns 5y ago
> But I figure this is the price that I pay for not using Gmail or Outlook. Fastmail doesn't seem to have this issue either.
- dleslie 5y ago
  Fastmail also hosts mail on American and Australian servers, using encryption keys they control, making it unsafe for foreigners to use.

orangepurple 5y ago

Now I understand how people are backed into a corner and feel the need to fight a war

nyuszika7h 5y ago

Hmm, I haven't had issues with Tutanota on Apple and Discord, though I don't use it for my main accounts, only alternate ones.

throwawayboise 5y ago

I'm on a few different tech-oriented email lists. The ProtonMail users are all weird. Extraordinarly argumentative and paranoid. Ask questions and then riducule the answers, almost always on the basis of far-fetched "security" concerns. Rarely contribute substantively, mostly seem to be there to virtue-signal their security awareness at every opportunity. They are tedious.

c7DJTLrn 5y ago
ProtonMail is arguably the biggest privacy brand, especially when it comes to well... email. They do a bit of marketing as well which people who aren't so technical are going to be picked up by. It's the same situation as with VPNs being advertised on YouTube. Both of these kinds of products are used by paranoid people who don't have an understanding of what they're protecting themselves from.
genewitch 5y ago
protonmail is the @aol.com of this age?