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Why is this shocking ? They are copying macOS where this feature is already present. When Apple does it, it's just perfectly fine and (in Apple fan voice) - thi

Why is this shocking ? They are copying macOS where this feature is already present. When Apple does it, it's just perfectly fine and (in Apple fan voice) - this so significantly improves the UX experience. But, when Microsoft does it, OMG the SUN is FALLING.

dhosek 5y ago
I was thinking the same thing. Having payment info built into the os makes a lot of sense for my usage patterns. I like Apple Pay and I think that if ms does it well, this is a plus, not a minus, and I didn’t see any red flags in this article but maybe I missed something?
zdragnar 5y ago
This is a feature of macOS that I have always resented. The fact that win11 is doing it too just pushes me further into the linux camp. I've got an install of windows 10 I use for gaming, and am now very glad I didn't upgrade to 11 yet. I'll probably avoid it as long as possible.
- lenkite 5y ago
  Fair enough. I suspect many users likely asked for this feature in the feedback hub and MS complied.
  - buscoquadnary 5y ago
    If there is one thing I have learned MS does not listen to ANYTHING important or critical to the users in the feedback hub.
    - hulitu 5y ago
      But of course they listen. The only issue is that the answer is always: scan for viruses and run Fixme.
- gigaflop 5y ago
  Have you been dual-booting? What's your experience been like, generally? I built my current desktop something like 5+ years ago, and have been thinking about building something new, with Windows kept as a second fiddle for when the few games I still play don't cooperate on WINE or Proton.
  - zdragnar 5y ago
    I've always kept a windows partition around, just in case things go sideways and for gaming. Proton is great, but not good enough for many games. Dual booting can have odd effects on Windows. The strangest I have encountered is that windows shuts down when it thinks it is rebooting, and reboots when I tell it to shut down. Other than that, no issues, though I always make sure when installing linux that I have Windows totally up to date (some mostly for firmware updates). Manjaro and Pop_OS! are a breeze to install- resizing the windows partition is as easy as dragging a slider. It has been awhile since I have used something else, but I imagine any distro with a modern kernel and gui installer will be easy enough. In fact, I recently picked up an lg gram (16")- some occasional graphical glitching I am blaming on wayland, but other than that, the hardware actually works better on linux than windows.
    - gigaflop 5y ago
      Thanks for the tips! As for Windows acting strange, I've heard that it can have something to do with 'fast boot' settings on the motherboard BIOS. Not sure if you've checked that already. Have you ever seen Windows muck up the bootloader? I remember grumblings from some time ago, where it would cause grub to malfunction by making certain assumptions about the disk it was on.
      - zdragnar 5y ago
        I've not experienced grub issues personally in recent memory, to be honest- at least, none caused by windows. I turned off fast boot when I set up the problematic machine, but on my newest machine (LG gram) I didn't bother and it is working fine.
    - 5y ago
rashil2000 5y ago
Lol why is this downvoted so much? Do people get salty just at the mention of comparison with Apple?
morganvachon 5y ago
I'll play devil's advocate and suggest that when one buys a Mac, one is already aware of the fact that it's more of an appliance and a subscription hub than an actual computer. Yes, it does all the regular computer things, but it's practically a loss-leader for Apple to keep you in the ecosystem (and I say this as someone who "owns" a M1 mini). For Microsoft on the other hand, this is breaking new ground with Windows users. Microsoft has slowly been easing their users into a OS-as-a-Service paradigm, the next logical step for them is to require your credit card info (which to be clear, isn't required...yet) to continue to use the OS on the computer you bought outright. After all, the other major software players are pushing subscriptions instead of license purchases (Adobe, Parallels, Codeweavers, and Microsoft themselves with 365, among so many others), so why not charge a fee to use their preloaded and -- in the eyes of the average consumer -- required OS?
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  >it's practically a loss-leader for Apple Apple isn't selling its hardware at a loss, it is well known for the very high margins on hardware.
breakfastduck 5y ago
Talk about a smarmy comment. It's about HOW something like this is implemented. Do I need to provide my CC info to set up a new mac user account? Fuck no you don't.
- detaro 5y ago
  Where does it say that you need to provide CC info to setup a new user account? All I see in the article is that you can now add CC info in the user settings.
  - breakfastduck 5y ago
    I clearly misinterpreted, so I retract. Use case does indeed seem pretty fair for people are are super bought into the MS ecosystem, I found it very frustrating how many places I had to log into windows 11 to get a new pc setup and running and this feels like a step in the right direction.

dhosek 5y ago

I was thinking the same thing. Having payment info built into the os makes a lot of sense for my usage patterns. I like Apple Pay and I think that if ms does it well, this is a plus, not a minus, and I didn’t see any red flags in this article but maybe I missed something?

zdragnar 5y ago

This is a feature of macOS that I have always resented. The fact that win11 is doing it too just pushes me further into the linux camp. I've got an install of windows 10 I use for gaming, and am now very glad I didn't upgrade to 11 yet. I'll probably avoid it as long as possible.

lenkite 5y ago
Fair enough. I suspect many users likely asked for this feature in the feedback hub and MS complied.
- buscoquadnary 5y ago
  If there is one thing I have learned MS does not listen to ANYTHING important or critical to the users in the feedback hub.
  - hulitu 5y ago
    But of course they listen. The only issue is that the answer is always: scan for viruses and run Fixme.
gigaflop 5y ago
Have you been dual-booting? What's your experience been like, generally? I built my current desktop something like 5+ years ago, and have been thinking about building something new, with Windows kept as a second fiddle for when the few games I still play don't cooperate on WINE or Proton.
- zdragnar 5y ago
  I've always kept a windows partition around, just in case things go sideways and for gaming. Proton is great, but not good enough for many games. Dual booting can have odd effects on Windows. The strangest I have encountered is that windows shuts down when it thinks it is rebooting, and reboots when I tell it to shut down. Other than that, no issues, though I always make sure when installing linux that I have Windows totally up to date (some mostly for firmware updates). Manjaro and Pop_OS! are a breeze to install- resizing the windows partition is as easy as dragging a slider. It has been awhile since I have used something else, but I imagine any distro with a modern kernel and gui installer will be easy enough. In fact, I recently picked up an lg gram (16")- some occasional graphical glitching I am blaming on wayland, but other than that, the hardware actually works better on linux than windows.
  - gigaflop 5y ago
    Thanks for the tips! As for Windows acting strange, I've heard that it can have something to do with 'fast boot' settings on the motherboard BIOS. Not sure if you've checked that already. Have you ever seen Windows muck up the bootloader? I remember grumblings from some time ago, where it would cause grub to malfunction by making certain assumptions about the disk it was on.
    - zdragnar 5y ago
      I've not experienced grub issues personally in recent memory, to be honest- at least, none caused by windows. I turned off fast boot when I set up the problematic machine, but on my newest machine (LG gram) I didn't bother and it is working fine.
  - 5y ago

rashil2000 5y ago

Lol why is this downvoted so much? Do people get salty just at the mention of comparison with Apple?

morganvachon 5y ago

I'll play devil's advocate and suggest that when one buys a Mac, one is already aware of the fact that it's more of an appliance and a subscription hub than an actual computer. Yes, it does all the regular computer things, but it's practically a loss-leader for Apple to keep you in the ecosystem (and I say this as someone who "owns" a M1 mini). For Microsoft on the other hand, this is breaking new ground with Windows users. Microsoft has slowly been easing their users into a OS-as-a-Service paradigm, the next logical step for them is to require your credit card info (which to be clear, isn't required...yet) to continue to use the OS on the computer you bought outright. After all, the other major software players are pushing subscriptions instead of license purchases (Adobe, Parallels, Codeweavers, and Microsoft themselves with 365, among so many others), so why not charge a fee to use their preloaded and -- in the eyes of the average consumer -- required OS?

tonyedgecombe 5y ago
>it's practically a loss-leader for Apple Apple isn't selling its hardware at a loss, it is well known for the very high margins on hardware.

breakfastduck 5y ago

Talk about a smarmy comment. It's about HOW something like this is implemented. Do I need to provide my CC info to set up a new mac user account? Fuck no you don't.

detaro 5y ago
Where does it say that you need to provide CC info to setup a new user account? All I see in the article is that you can now add CC info in the user settings.
- breakfastduck 5y ago
  I clearly misinterpreted, so I retract. Use case does indeed seem pretty fair for people are are super bought into the MS ecosystem, I found it very frustrating how many places I had to log into windows 11 to get a new pc setup and running and this feels like a step in the right direction.