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I would be more concerned about the "friendly" propaganda tolerated by EU/European governments than the blatant Russian propaganda. Not limited to the Ukraine w

by m000 5y ago

I would be more concerned about the "friendly" propaganda tolerated by EU/European governments than the blatant Russian propaganda. Not limited to the Ukraine war.

wolverine876 5y ago
That's a general accusation, but what exactly are you referring to? Can you provide examples? > blatant Russian propaganda Propaganda isn't so blatent; it's used because it works.
- Razengan 5y ago
  Just take a look at Reddit since the last two weeks: https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/t35933/captain_ukraine_slava_ukraine https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/t35933/captain_ukrain... https://old.reddit.com/r/cats/comments/t1j650/these_are_my_ukrainian_cats_their_parents_and_my https://old.reddit.com/r/cats/comments/t1j650/these_are_my_u... https://old.reddit.com/r/meirl/comments/t3oykr/meirl https://old.reddit.com/r/meirl/comments/t3oykr/meirl https://old.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/t31tek/ukrainian_president_zelenskyy_having_a_meal_with https://old.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/t31tek/ukraini... https://old.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/t2fb00/zelenskyy_current_president_of_ukrain_won_the https://old.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/t2fb00/ze... https://old.reddit.com/r/photoshopbattles/comments/t22d53/psbattle_zelenskyy_sitting_with_soldiers https://old.reddit.com/r/photoshopbattles/comments/t22d53/ps... https://old.reddit.com/r/HolUp/comments/t2y9xh/volodymyr_zelenskyy_playing_the_piano https://old.reddit.com/r/HolUp/comments/t2y9xh/volodymyr_zel... Notice how most of them are posted on subreddits that have nothing to do with politics, and they actually bạn all political posts and memes in “normal” times. How does all this seem sane and not blatant or disturbing at all?
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    > How does all this seem sane and not blatant or disturbing at all? I'm not sure what you mean by "sane" - are you referring to something in this conversation? How is sanity implicated? Also, did someone say it's not disturbing? It may seem blatent, but: 1) That's the propaganda you recognize; the problem is the propaganda you don't detect. And 2) while the content might be obvious, the intent might not be. For example, you could see Trump using blatent lies, but the intent was (IMHO) to confuse and divert enemies by putting them on the defensive, and to sow chaos by creating a sense of fear and alarm - to make you feel that things are insane and disturbed. FWIW, you can't try to divine the motives of propagandists in that way. All you can look at is to say, what are the effects and who benefits? There is some truth, as the propagadists are acting in their own interests (when they are successful).

by m000 5y ago

I would be more concerned about the "friendly" propaganda tolerated by EU/European governments than the blatant Russian propaganda. Not limited to the Ukraine war.

wolverine876 5y ago

That's a general accusation, but what exactly are you referring to? Can you provide examples? > blatant Russian propaganda Propaganda isn't so blatent; it's used because it works.

Razengan 5y ago
Just take a look at Reddit since the last two weeks: https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/t35933/captain_ukraine_slava_ukraine https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/t35933/captain_ukrain... https://old.reddit.com/r/cats/comments/t1j650/these_are_my_ukrainian_cats_their_parents_and_my https://old.reddit.com/r/cats/comments/t1j650/these_are_my_u... https://old.reddit.com/r/meirl/comments/t3oykr/meirl https://old.reddit.com/r/meirl/comments/t3oykr/meirl https://old.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/t31tek/ukrainian_president_zelenskyy_having_a_meal_with https://old.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/t31tek/ukraini... https://old.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/t2fb00/zelenskyy_current_president_of_ukrain_won_the https://old.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/t2fb00/ze... https://old.reddit.com/r/photoshopbattles/comments/t22d53/psbattle_zelenskyy_sitting_with_soldiers https://old.reddit.com/r/photoshopbattles/comments/t22d53/ps... https://old.reddit.com/r/HolUp/comments/t2y9xh/volodymyr_zelenskyy_playing_the_piano https://old.reddit.com/r/HolUp/comments/t2y9xh/volodymyr_zel... Notice how most of them are posted on subreddits that have nothing to do with politics, and they actually bạn all political posts and memes in “normal” times. How does all this seem sane and not blatant or disturbing at all?
- wolverine876 5y ago
  > How does all this seem sane and not blatant or disturbing at all? I'm not sure what you mean by "sane" - are you referring to something in this conversation? How is sanity implicated? Also, did someone say it's not disturbing? It may seem blatent, but: 1) That's the propaganda you recognize; the problem is the propaganda you don't detect. And 2) while the content might be obvious, the intent might not be. For example, you could see Trump using blatent lies, but the intent was (IMHO) to confuse and divert enemies by putting them on the defensive, and to sow chaos by creating a sense of fear and alarm - to make you feel that things are insane and disturbed. FWIW, you can't try to divine the motives of propagandists in that way. All you can look at is to say, what are the effects and who benefits? There is some truth, as the propagadists are acting in their own interests (when they are successful).