I would submit that the bidet or using water to clean yourself is even more primitive than this. I would call this grotesque and barbaric, but that would likel

I would submit that the bidet or using water to clean yourself is even more primitive than this. I would call this grotesque and barbaric, but that would likely insult barbarians who did know how to use water! Sitting on a throne to poop and using paper is "modern" and totally idiotic.