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Consider; Russia is invading Ukraine. If they keep at it, they will win; the military balance is too much in their favour. Having conquered, they will then bl

Consider; Russia is invading Ukraine. If they keep at it, they will win; the military balance is too much in their favour. Having conquered, they will then block out all content which carries truth and replace it with propaganda, just as it is in Russia. You argue we must keep the Internet open and accessable to Russia, both in this situation, and for it to be used in this way.

simiones 5y ago
No one on Earth could stop the Internet working inside Russia. The only thing that could be done, in principle, by ICANN and EU/US service providers is to block out all content coming in or out of Russia. This will have exactly the effect of blocking out all content which carries (EU/US) truth and replace it with (Russian) propaganda.
- chinathrow 5y ago
  > No one on Earth could stop the Internet working inside Russia. Without physical intervention.
  - gorbachev 5y ago
    You're not going to get physical intervention on Russia <-> China connectivity.
- varenc 5y ago
  > The only thing that could be done, in principle, by ICANN and EU/US service providers is to block out all content coming in or out of Russia I don't think this is true. The root DNS servers ICANN runs could stop handling requests for anything on the .ru/.su Russian TLDs. Though Russia runs the .ru servers internally, from ripn.net, there's still reliance on the root servers to point there. This would break Russian internal access to their own services. If you run `dig +trace government.ru` you can see your first query is to the various "*.root-servers.net" name servers. When I did this my queries went like this: A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET -> B.DNS.RIPN.NET -> NS2.GOV.RU That first step, contacting the centralized root servers, is where ICANN could have killed .ru domain lookups. (also my knowledge of DNS is shaky, so someone correct me if I'm wrong)
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Russian ISP DNS servers would just do whatever is necessary to make it work, up to not respecting ICANN
  - simiones 5y ago
    You're right that they would have to take some action, but nothing would stop Russian ISPs from taking over *.root-servers.net, or responding with authoritative responses before reaching those. Now, to be fair, significant, though temporary, damage could be done to them from the outside (who knows how many Russian systems have their DNS configured to 1.1.1.1 or 8.8.8.8, for example).

simiones 5y ago

No one on Earth could stop the Internet working inside Russia. The only thing that could be done, in principle, by ICANN and EU/US service providers is to block out all content coming in or out of Russia. This will have exactly the effect of blocking out all content which carries (EU/US) truth and replace it with (Russian) propaganda.

chinathrow 5y ago
> No one on Earth could stop the Internet working inside Russia. Without physical intervention.
- gorbachev 5y ago
  You're not going to get physical intervention on Russia <-> China connectivity.
varenc 5y ago
> The only thing that could be done, in principle, by ICANN and EU/US service providers is to block out all content coming in or out of Russia I don't think this is true. The root DNS servers ICANN runs could stop handling requests for anything on the .ru/.su Russian TLDs. Though Russia runs the .ru servers internally, from ripn.net, there's still reliance on the root servers to point there. This would break Russian internal access to their own services. If you run `dig +trace government.ru` you can see your first query is to the various "*.root-servers.net" name servers. When I did this my queries went like this: A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET -> B.DNS.RIPN.NET -> NS2.GOV.RU That first step, contacting the centralized root servers, is where ICANN could have killed .ru domain lookups. (also my knowledge of DNS is shaky, so someone correct me if I'm wrong)
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  Russian ISP DNS servers would just do whatever is necessary to make it work, up to not respecting ICANN
- simiones 5y ago
  You're right that they would have to take some action, but nothing would stop Russian ISPs from taking over *.root-servers.net, or responding with authoritative responses before reaching those. Now, to be fair, significant, though temporary, damage could be done to them from the outside (who knows how many Russian systems have their DNS configured to 1.1.1.1 or 8.8.8.8, for example).