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I appreciate your concern, but why would anyone take this seriously? In particular, why would crowdsourcing a foreign policy agreement be a good idea? Would you

by dash2 5y ago

I appreciate your concern, but why would anyone take this seriously? In particular, why would crowdsourcing a foreign policy agreement be a good idea? Would you crowdsource the plan for your open heart surgery? Because this affects a lot more lives than that.

_6p8i 5y ago
As it says in the FAQ, this project is likely going to fail, but I think it was worth trying given the stakes. In terms of seriousness, I've committed real $1000. > In particular, why would crowdsourcing a foreign policy agreement be a good idea? I think Internet's collective intelligence could be higher than that of any person on a well defined task. > Would you crowdsource the plan for your open heart surgery? Desperate situations, call for desperate measures. If I did, I would ask for "qualified heart surgeons to contribute" the same way I asked about "people with the understanding of geopolitical situation". There are people that are not in the political administrations of the warring sides that have called the situation much more correctly than the administration. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4
- carlosdp 5y ago
  With respect, if someone actually came up with a peace agreement that worked for Ukraine/Russia, I would hope it would be worth far more than $1k.
  - _6p8i 5y ago
    I agree. Do you want to commit to the cause?
  - mediumsmart 5y ago
    They did 8 years ago and it was far more worth but still below billions of military spending.
- stared 5y ago
  > I think Internet's collective intelligence could be higher than that of any person on a well defined task. Well, maybe - but as long as it is led by people who know the political circumstances and are willing to dig deeper. For comparison, there was a Post-WW1 Middle-East map, which took into cultures and ethnicities. It took a lot of work to interview communities: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/02/the-middle-east-that-might-have-been/385410/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/02/th... And? It was entirely ignored. Not for another meritocratic approach. Instead - with the "cutting pies" approach, where the great powers divided the territory among themselves.
galfarragem 5y ago
> Would you crowdsource the plan for your open heart surgery? I think you are over estimating the actual negotiators. Most (if not all) are politicians not hostage negotiators. And this is even a different game.
- lm28469 5y ago
  Don't we vote for representatives to ... represent the ourselves (the crowd) so we don't have to take individual actions like these ?
  - galfarragem 5y ago
    I personally prefer referendums to representatives on relevant issues. Representatives have a personal agenda that often does not align with the collective interest. With a prior referendum I believe no war would ever start.
    - dash2 5y ago
      My plumber has a personal agenda that is different from mine, yet I hire a plumber to do my plumbing. Sure, politicians have personal agendas. They also might have expertise. Do you know more than Biden and his team about Putin, Russia and the Ukraine?
      - galfarragem 5y ago
        Your plumber's personal agenda aligns with yours: you want the pipe repaired and you don't even mind to pay X, the plumber wants to receive X and he doesn't even mind to repair your pipe. His knowledge is used in your interest also. Politicians, by the other hand, may know more than us but that knowledge may or may not be used in our interest.
        dash2 5y ago
        You’ve obviously never met a British plumber …
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by dash2 5y ago

_6p8i 5y ago

As it says in the FAQ, this project is likely going to fail, but I think it was worth trying given the stakes. In terms of seriousness, I've committed real $1000. > In particular, why would crowdsourcing a foreign policy agreement be a good idea? I think Internet's collective intelligence could be higher than that of any person on a well defined task. > Would you crowdsource the plan for your open heart surgery? Desperate situations, call for desperate measures. If I did, I would ask for "qualified heart surgeons to contribute" the same way I asked about "people with the understanding of geopolitical situation". There are people that are not in the political administrations of the warring sides that have called the situation much more correctly than the administration. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

carlosdp 5y ago
With respect, if someone actually came up with a peace agreement that worked for Ukraine/Russia, I would hope it would be worth far more than $1k.
- _6p8i 5y ago
  I agree. Do you want to commit to the cause?
- mediumsmart 5y ago
  They did 8 years ago and it was far more worth but still below billions of military spending.
stared 5y ago
> I think Internet's collective intelligence could be higher than that of any person on a well defined task. Well, maybe - but as long as it is led by people who know the political circumstances and are willing to dig deeper. For comparison, there was a Post-WW1 Middle-East map, which took into cultures and ethnicities. It took a lot of work to interview communities: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/02/the-middle-east-that-might-have-been/385410/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/02/th... And? It was entirely ignored. Not for another meritocratic approach. Instead - with the "cutting pies" approach, where the great powers divided the territory among themselves.

galfarragem 5y ago

> Would you crowdsource the plan for your open heart surgery? I think you are over estimating the actual negotiators. Most (if not all) are politicians not hostage negotiators. And this is even a different game.

lm28469 5y ago
Don't we vote for representatives to ... represent the ourselves (the crowd) so we don't have to take individual actions like these ?
- galfarragem 5y ago
  I personally prefer referendums to representatives on relevant issues. Representatives have a personal agenda that often does not align with the collective interest. With a prior referendum I believe no war would ever start.
  - dash2 5y ago
    My plumber has a personal agenda that is different from mine, yet I hire a plumber to do my plumbing. Sure, politicians have personal agendas. They also might have expertise. Do you know more than Biden and his team about Putin, Russia and the Ukraine?
    - galfarragem 5y ago
      Your plumber's personal agenda aligns with yours: you want the pipe repaired and you don't even mind to pay X, the plumber wants to receive X and he doesn't even mind to repair your pipe. His knowledge is used in your interest also. Politicians, by the other hand, may know more than us but that knowledge may or may not be used in our interest.
      - dash2 5y ago
        You’ve obviously never met a British plumber …

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