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If they blow up the gas pipelines that transit Ukraine, Europe would be forced to turn on Nord Stream 2, which is 100% complete and just waiting for regulatory

If they blow up the gas pipelines that transit Ukraine, Europe would be forced to turn on Nord Stream 2, which is 100% complete and just waiting for regulatory approval. Then Ukraine would be cut out entirely. It's in their best interest to leave the pipelines alone.

martin_a 5y ago
> Europe would be forced to turn on Nord Stream 2, which is 100% complete and just waiting for regulatory approval. Nord Stream 2 is history. The company behind it went bankrupt two days ago or sth. like this. Everybody who still held to that project in Germany has turned it down. Nord Stream 2 won't happen, instead NLG from Saudi Arabia seems to be a thing now, anything but supporting Russia and its war. Also, Germany declared that it wants to be energy-independent by 2035, 15 years earlier than planned as a result of the Russian aggression.
- pseudo0 5y ago
  The pipeline is still sitting there ready to go. I agree that it is highly unlikely to get used at this point, but if hypothetically Ukraine started blowing up pipelines, I don't think Europe would have much of a choice. It would be hard to stand on moral principle when elderly people are freezing to death and there are rolling brownouts.
  - FrozenSynapse 5y ago
    winter is over
    - foxyv 5y ago
      Winter is coming.
  - jmpman 5y ago
    You’re right, it’s just sitting there, on the bottom of the ocean, running for hundreds of miles, undefended.
jmpman 5y ago
I’m not suggesting Ukraine would do it now. But there are going to be 40M people with lost loved ones who are speak Russian, look like the local population, and realize that the way to exact revenge is through pipeline sabotage. Destroy the pipelines and you’ve destroyed 50% of the Russian GDP.
jmpman 5y ago
Why would Ukraine leave the pipelines alone? There will no longer be a freely elected government in Ukraine. None of the profit of the pipeline will go towards Ukraine once they’re a puppet state. As for Nord Stream 2, a small underwater autonomous vehicle could easily be built in a Ukrainian refuge’s garage in Poland. Russia has underestimated how easily attacks can be performed by individual actors, who are properly motivated, against thousand mile long soft targets.

martin_a 5y ago

> Europe would be forced to turn on Nord Stream 2, which is 100% complete and just waiting for regulatory approval. Nord Stream 2 is history. The company behind it went bankrupt two days ago or sth. like this. Everybody who still held to that project in Germany has turned it down. Nord Stream 2 won't happen, instead NLG from Saudi Arabia seems to be a thing now, anything but supporting Russia and its war. Also, Germany declared that it wants to be energy-independent by 2035, 15 years earlier than planned as a result of the Russian aggression.

pseudo0 5y ago
The pipeline is still sitting there ready to go. I agree that it is highly unlikely to get used at this point, but if hypothetically Ukraine started blowing up pipelines, I don't think Europe would have much of a choice. It would be hard to stand on moral principle when elderly people are freezing to death and there are rolling brownouts.
- FrozenSynapse 5y ago
  winter is over
  - foxyv 5y ago
    Winter is coming.
- jmpman 5y ago
  You’re right, it’s just sitting there, on the bottom of the ocean, running for hundreds of miles, undefended.

jmpman 5y ago

I’m not suggesting Ukraine would do it now. But there are going to be 40M people with lost loved ones who are speak Russian, look like the local population, and realize that the way to exact revenge is through pipeline sabotage. Destroy the pipelines and you’ve destroyed 50% of the Russian GDP.

jmpman 5y ago

Why would Ukraine leave the pipelines alone? There will no longer be a freely elected government in Ukraine. None of the profit of the pipeline will go towards Ukraine once they’re a puppet state. As for Nord Stream 2, a small underwater autonomous vehicle could easily be built in a Ukrainian refuge’s garage in Poland. Russia has underestimated how easily attacks can be performed by individual actors, who are properly motivated, against thousand mile long soft targets.