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Ask HN: Team of programmers seeking freelance projects. Where to next?

12 points by psikomanjak 5y ago

Hi for the people that have outsource companies in third world countries / Eastern Europe working for US market, how did you get your first projects how do you find clients?

evolve2k 5y ago
Update your skills, capacity and service offering in your description and see how u go.
jokethrowaway 5y ago
Networking, networking, networking. You need CTOs friends. Before covid you would move somewhere where the market is good for engineers, kick it off with some CTOs sending your A-team of the best contractors ever. It's basically like getting a normal job but you're not selling yourself but a team of people. Finding companies at the right stage or CTOs that get hired to transform companies is crucial. Over time you can slowly disinvest from the company and start sending cheaper contractors and retire.
- teekay 5y ago
  I think this works great when one wants to do staff augmentation or contract for tech companies. Maybe this is what the OP meant. The situation is a little more complicated if one wants to sell services to an end client that is not technical. Finding the right marketing mix to get in front of these clients is a challenge (ie, they are not on HN and many of them spend very little time online for work-related activities). I keep hearing that going after a relatively narrow niche where you can offer relevant expertise is the way to go. Even then, I suppose some sort of direct outreach is the way to go.
- muzani 5y ago
  One great advice my partner gave to me was that it's the Pareto Principle: Spend 20% of your time networking and 80% of your time doing work. That 20% of your time networking will bring in most of your money. Why not spend 80% of your time networking? Nobody respects people who do that. They do want people who can get the job done, so you still have to be spending most of your time getting the work done and becoming an expert.
chrisrickard 5y ago
It’s the age old question, and one of the hardest parts about running a service business. I started off in the same position 10 years ago, I think what helped me the most was eventually finding a niche, and focusing on one type of client or problem (as “programming” is way too broad, that and getting initial referrals from friends and family members. I feel like a gross sales guy linking to my blog, but I am in the process of fully documenting my journey from developer, to building, running, and ultimately selling my software agency - so there may be a few articles that are beneficial for you at https://www.devtoagency.com https://www.devtoagency.com , specifically https://www.devtoagency.com/think-niche/ https://www.devtoagency.com/think-niche/ and https://www.devtoagency.com/referrals-from-friends-and-family/ https://www.devtoagency.com/referrals-from-friends-and-famil... Good luck!

12 points by psikomanjak 5y ago

Hi for the people that have outsource companies in third world countries / Eastern Europe working for US market, how did you get your first projects how do you find clients?

evolve2k 5y ago

Update your skills, capacity and service offering in your description and see how u go.

jokethrowaway 5y ago

Networking, networking, networking. You need CTOs friends. Before covid you would move somewhere where the market is good for engineers, kick it off with some CTOs sending your A-team of the best contractors ever. It's basically like getting a normal job but you're not selling yourself but a team of people. Finding companies at the right stage or CTOs that get hired to transform companies is crucial. Over time you can slowly disinvest from the company and start sending cheaper contractors and retire.

teekay 5y ago
I think this works great when one wants to do staff augmentation or contract for tech companies. Maybe this is what the OP meant. The situation is a little more complicated if one wants to sell services to an end client that is not technical. Finding the right marketing mix to get in front of these clients is a challenge (ie, they are not on HN and many of them spend very little time online for work-related activities). I keep hearing that going after a relatively narrow niche where you can offer relevant expertise is the way to go. Even then, I suppose some sort of direct outreach is the way to go.
muzani 5y ago
One great advice my partner gave to me was that it's the Pareto Principle: Spend 20% of your time networking and 80% of your time doing work. That 20% of your time networking will bring in most of your money. Why not spend 80% of your time networking? Nobody respects people who do that. They do want people who can get the job done, so you still have to be spending most of your time getting the work done and becoming an expert.

chrisrickard 5y ago

It’s the age old question, and one of the hardest parts about running a service business. I started off in the same position 10 years ago, I think what helped me the most was eventually finding a niche, and focusing on one type of client or problem (as “programming” is way too broad, that and getting initial referrals from friends and family members. I feel like a gross sales guy linking to my blog, but I am in the process of fully documenting my journey from developer, to building, running, and ultimately selling my software agency - so there may be a few articles that are beneficial for you at https://www.devtoagency.com https://www.devtoagency.com , specifically https://www.devtoagency.com/think-niche/ https://www.devtoagency.com/think-niche/ and https://www.devtoagency.com/referrals-from-friends-and-family/ https://www.devtoagency.com/referrals-from-friends-and-famil... Good luck!