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> Is true FOSS going to fade away one day? There's no indication of this. > Chromium no longer has sync, so we currently have no usable browsers that support

> Is true FOSS going to fade away one day? There's no indication of this. > Chromium no longer has sync, so we currently have no usable browsers that support Google's stuff. I don't follow. Why do you consider Firefox and Chromium to be unusable? > What's going to happen to the "Windows-like" side of FOSS? KDE is doing well.

eternityforest 5y ago
Chromium doesn't have sync. That's enough right there that I wouldn't consider using it. Firefox is usable-ish but they reject a lot of Google's tech, and seem to have no interest in the modern vision if the web. Even on some safe features they're years behind. Brave is mostly open, but they have started following FF, actively removing Google's features from Chromium rather than adding permission toggles. You would think that the app people use the most would be top notch in the FOSS world, but we have very few FOSS options, all with the same Mozilla philosophy, except Chromium which is getting closer to being a reference implementation rather than a usable browser. Meanwhile closed chromium browsers like Vivaldi and Chrome itself are pretty great.
- MaxBarraclough 5y ago
  > Chromium doesn't have sync. That's enough right there that I wouldn't consider using it. Personally I've never used the sync features of any browser. Can't that kind of thing be done with an extension? > Firefox is usable-ish but they reject a lot of Google's tech, and seem to have no interest in the modern vision if the web. Even on some safe features they're years behind. In my experience, Firefox works fine, despite Mozilla's long history of atrocious decisions. Its performance is competitive with Chromium (the winner depends on the benchmark/website). Compatibility issues do occur but are rare. What do you mean by no interest in the modern vision if the web?
  - eternityforest 5y ago
    Nothing can be done with an extension because extensions don't exist on mobile browsers. I hear FF might get them but I doubt Chromium will for a while. Chromium seems to want to be an apps platform with full desktop power. Everything from web serial to the battery status API, yo keyboard layout stuff, gets either summarily axed, nerfed, or at best begrudgingly added after a long time. Mozilla doesn't do permission prompts or settings. Their priority seems to be getting rid of all ability to do tracking even at the expense of real use cases.

eternityforest 5y ago

Chromium doesn't have sync. That's enough right there that I wouldn't consider using it. Firefox is usable-ish but they reject a lot of Google's tech, and seem to have no interest in the modern vision if the web. Even on some safe features they're years behind. Brave is mostly open, but they have started following FF, actively removing Google's features from Chromium rather than adding permission toggles. You would think that the app people use the most would be top notch in the FOSS world, but we have very few FOSS options, all with the same Mozilla philosophy, except Chromium which is getting closer to being a reference implementation rather than a usable browser. Meanwhile closed chromium browsers like Vivaldi and Chrome itself are pretty great.

MaxBarraclough 5y ago
> Chromium doesn't have sync. That's enough right there that I wouldn't consider using it. Personally I've never used the sync features of any browser. Can't that kind of thing be done with an extension? > Firefox is usable-ish but they reject a lot of Google's tech, and seem to have no interest in the modern vision if the web. Even on some safe features they're years behind. In my experience, Firefox works fine, despite Mozilla's long history of atrocious decisions. Its performance is competitive with Chromium (the winner depends on the benchmark/website). Compatibility issues do occur but are rare. What do you mean by no interest in the modern vision if the web?
- eternityforest 5y ago
  Nothing can be done with an extension because extensions don't exist on mobile browsers. I hear FF might get them but I doubt Chromium will for a while. Chromium seems to want to be an apps platform with full desktop power. Everything from web serial to the battery status API, yo keyboard layout stuff, gets either summarily axed, nerfed, or at best begrudgingly added after a long time. Mozilla doesn't do permission prompts or settings. Their priority seems to be getting rid of all ability to do tracking even at the expense of real use cases.