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The other confounding factor to a harmonious discussion is that Western media (taken loosely) has burned a lot of credibility with regards to China. Nearly ever

The other confounding factor to a harmonious discussion is that Western media (taken loosely) has burned a lot of credibility with regards to China. Nearly everything China does is couched in "but at what cost?" terms. This, quite naturally, leads to the belief that criticism of Russia is overblown, and is rather the West attempting to smear another country that doesn't play by the Western rules. "Don't tell a neighbor how to raise their kids", so it goes. Also the parallels between Ukraine and Korea are drawn: some Chinese people can see that Russia doesn't want NATO moving up to the border because they didn't want the US doing the same in Korea. Moreover, Western agitation to provoke the situation is blamed and Ukraine has been tricked by NATO into an alignment that unacceptably threatens Russia but without the commitment to actually defend it. Which, again, doesn't spring from nowhere.

Etherlord87 5y ago
I don't want to pretend or seem like an expert, but the west is doing a lot to help Ukraine... - a lot of equipment is sent to Ukraine: Bayraktar drones, MiGs fighters, javelins to just name the most expensive and effective. - CIA intel. - NATO training of Ukrainian soldiers. - Mercenary/individual forces moving to Ukraine to help. I think it explains the difference between the defense of Crimea and the rest of the Ukraine...
thevagrant 5y ago
It's not like Chinese media is sparkling clean either. I read their news and it very often pushes 'West is bad' mantra. Do we really believe that? What kind of reason is behind that? Why stoke the fire? Especially when we know Chinese media is controlled. Western agitation to provoke the situation is a Chinese media talking point. It is hardly credible. Western leaders were meeting and calling Putin around the clock in the lead up to the invasion trying to negotiate to prevent his actions. What did China do? They ridiculed the US for 'provoking and causing trouble'. China denied an invasion was about to occur. You might argue that it is because the west isn't trusted. Why not?? China trusted the west to take investments and have help building up industry. That benefited both parties. If China didn't trust the US intelligence they should have acted in the right way. A simple example is: Xi demands explanation from Putin about build up of forces near Ukraine. Despite an invasion expecting not to occur, Xi speaks out against invasion. Xi could have looked good on the world stage by making the right statements to defuse. Instead, no let's ridicule US. In the West, China growth was seen as an opportunity and partnership by most up until a series of alarming events (very many, I don't want to write a novel) that occurred since Xi came to power. People didn't change opinion over night. China leadership slowly but surely undermined themselves.
pinephoneguy 5y ago
Western media has burned a lot of credibility in the West as well.

Etherlord87 5y ago

I don't want to pretend or seem like an expert, but the west is doing a lot to help Ukraine... - a lot of equipment is sent to Ukraine: Bayraktar drones, MiGs fighters, javelins to just name the most expensive and effective. - CIA intel. - NATO training of Ukrainian soldiers. - Mercenary/individual forces moving to Ukraine to help. I think it explains the difference between the defense of Crimea and the rest of the Ukraine...

thevagrant 5y ago

It's not like Chinese media is sparkling clean either. I read their news and it very often pushes 'West is bad' mantra. Do we really believe that? What kind of reason is behind that? Why stoke the fire? Especially when we know Chinese media is controlled. Western agitation to provoke the situation is a Chinese media talking point. It is hardly credible. Western leaders were meeting and calling Putin around the clock in the lead up to the invasion trying to negotiate to prevent his actions. What did China do? They ridiculed the US for 'provoking and causing trouble'. China denied an invasion was about to occur. You might argue that it is because the west isn't trusted. Why not?? China trusted the west to take investments and have help building up industry. That benefited both parties. If China didn't trust the US intelligence they should have acted in the right way. A simple example is: Xi demands explanation from Putin about build up of forces near Ukraine. Despite an invasion expecting not to occur, Xi speaks out against invasion. Xi could have looked good on the world stage by making the right statements to defuse. Instead, no let's ridicule US. In the West, China growth was seen as an opportunity and partnership by most up until a series of alarming events (very many, I don't want to write a novel) that occurred since Xi came to power. People didn't change opinion over night. China leadership slowly but surely undermined themselves.

pinephoneguy 5y ago

Western media has burned a lot of credibility in the West as well.