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Because if we don’t remove Russia from the world completely we are approving their invasion and keep the door open for further invasions. Only solution is to s

Because if we don’t remove Russia from the world completely we are approving their invasion and keep the door open for further invasions. Only solution is to segregate whole country and all their allies from the world until they remove their leaders from positions of power

yanmaani 5y ago
My concern is that with this, you're not just segregating Russia from the world, you're segregating the EU from the world. You're going to get a new Iron Curtain, only this time, the restrictions are going to be on both sides.
- nextlevelwizard 5y ago
  We don’t need Russia. Even China has told Russia to stop the war. Only thing Russia has is gas and we shouldn’t be using fossil fuels anyway. Building of new green nuclear plants should have already been started. If you have fucked that up (like Germans) then that means you need to start hurrying
  - xtian 5y ago
    "Russian exports account for 20 percent of potassic fertilizers globally. Exports from Russia and Belarus account for a combined 40 percent of potassic fertilizers globally."
  - yanmaani 5y ago
    I am not talking about the economy, I am talking about the Internet. Cutting RT off from the European Internet requires cutting the EU off from large chunks of the global Internet. If Russia responds, that would have the potential to get very ugly.
- cycomanic 5y ago
  You're turning around cause and effect. The EU imposing sanction is segregating the world? How about Russia invading Ukraine? Also read the precanned article that was accidentally released by Russian state media, this is not about Russia feeling threatened this is about Putins fantasies of a "great Russia" in the borders of the USSR
ipaddr 5y ago
Isn't this just a repeat of the cold war where one side didn't trade with another? All while pointing enough nuclear weapons to blow up the world 4 times over. Not sure if this strategy is the safest option globally. Russia wants a buffer from nato give them some assurance.
- nextlevelwizard 5y ago
  What assurances do they need? Western world has had peace for decades and only Russians have been the aggressors in any form. They are not getting any kind of buffer in fact do to this invasion they have forced Finland and Sweden to join NATO or face the same fate as Ukraine within the next decade.
  - throwaway_rsp1 5y ago
    What russia is doing right now is wrong but Please read the NATO Bucharest Summit Declaration. It has long been clear that Nato expansion would lead to tragedy. We are now paying the price for the US’s arrogance https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-e...
  - stephen_g 5y ago
    Well, if you don’t count the Yugoslavia, the Bosnian wars, etc. as being in the ‘Western world’…
  - orangepurple 5y ago
    You're right, absolutely nothing of note happened in the middle east 2001-2020 /s
    - nextlevelwizard 5y ago
      TIL Middle east is part of the Western world
      - 5y ago
stephen_g 5y ago
Have sanctions ever worked for that? Iran has been under strict sanctions for years - they haven’t removed their regime, but the people there do burn American flags in the streets… Also in Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea it doesn’t seem to have helped… I don’t have any better ideas, just doesn’t seem like sanctions really work at all as either a deterrent or punishment…
- kristiandupont 5y ago
  I hate that innocent Russians are suffering from this and will suffer for years to come. But even if the sanctions won't help overthrow the regime, they will certainly make it harder for Russia to keep funding their war.
  - nextlevelwizard 5y ago
    Yes. It sucks we can’t just target the bullies
- nextlevelwizard 5y ago
  Russia is a modern country with quite a lot of wealthy people. Maybe this time they can put up enough pressure to change the leadership. Anyway this is all we can do without starting a world war
throwaway_rsp1 5y ago
^ Because if we don’t remove Russia from the world completely we are approving their invasion and keep the door open for further invasions. Only solution is to segregate whole country and all their allies from the world until they remove their leaders from positions of power How can you even think about segregating Russia, if China and India aren't onboard? Yes, these two countries are not going to sanction Russia. Or do you want China and India sanctioned too, remember if you sanction everybody then you are sanctioning yourself.
- nextlevelwizard 5y ago

yanmaani 5y ago

My concern is that with this, you're not just segregating Russia from the world, you're segregating the EU from the world. You're going to get a new Iron Curtain, only this time, the restrictions are going to be on both sides.

nextlevelwizard 5y ago
We don’t need Russia. Even China has told Russia to stop the war. Only thing Russia has is gas and we shouldn’t be using fossil fuels anyway. Building of new green nuclear plants should have already been started. If you have fucked that up (like Germans) then that means you need to start hurrying
- xtian 5y ago
  "Russian exports account for 20 percent of potassic fertilizers globally. Exports from Russia and Belarus account for a combined 40 percent of potassic fertilizers globally."
- yanmaani 5y ago
  I am not talking about the economy, I am talking about the Internet. Cutting RT off from the European Internet requires cutting the EU off from large chunks of the global Internet. If Russia responds, that would have the potential to get very ugly.
cycomanic 5y ago
You're turning around cause and effect. The EU imposing sanction is segregating the world? How about Russia invading Ukraine? Also read the precanned article that was accidentally released by Russian state media, this is not about Russia feeling threatened this is about Putins fantasies of a "great Russia" in the borders of the USSR

ipaddr 5y ago

Isn't this just a repeat of the cold war where one side didn't trade with another? All while pointing enough nuclear weapons to blow up the world 4 times over. Not sure if this strategy is the safest option globally. Russia wants a buffer from nato give them some assurance.

nextlevelwizard 5y ago
What assurances do they need? Western world has had peace for decades and only Russians have been the aggressors in any form. They are not getting any kind of buffer in fact do to this invasion they have forced Finland and Sweden to join NATO or face the same fate as Ukraine within the next decade.
- throwaway_rsp1 5y ago
  What russia is doing right now is wrong but Please read the NATO Bucharest Summit Declaration. It has long been clear that Nato expansion would lead to tragedy. We are now paying the price for the US’s arrogance https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-e...
- stephen_g 5y ago
  Well, if you don’t count the Yugoslavia, the Bosnian wars, etc. as being in the ‘Western world’…
- orangepurple 5y ago
  You're right, absolutely nothing of note happened in the middle east 2001-2020 /s
  - nextlevelwizard 5y ago
    TIL Middle east is part of the Western world
    - 5y ago

stephen_g 5y ago

Have sanctions ever worked for that? Iran has been under strict sanctions for years - they haven’t removed their regime, but the people there do burn American flags in the streets… Also in Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea it doesn’t seem to have helped… I don’t have any better ideas, just doesn’t seem like sanctions really work at all as either a deterrent or punishment…

kristiandupont 5y ago
I hate that innocent Russians are suffering from this and will suffer for years to come. But even if the sanctions won't help overthrow the regime, they will certainly make it harder for Russia to keep funding their war.
- nextlevelwizard 5y ago
  Yes. It sucks we can’t just target the bullies
nextlevelwizard 5y ago
Russia is a modern country with quite a lot of wealthy people. Maybe this time they can put up enough pressure to change the leadership. Anyway this is all we can do without starting a world war

throwaway_rsp1 5y ago

^ Because if we don’t remove Russia from the world completely we are approving their invasion and keep the door open for further invasions. Only solution is to segregate whole country and all their allies from the world until they remove their leaders from positions of power How can you even think about segregating Russia, if China and India aren't onboard? Yes, these two countries are not going to sanction Russia. Or do you want China and India sanctioned too, remember if you sanction everybody then you are sanctioning yourself.

nextlevelwizard 5y ago