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The Ethiopian Airlines crew that crashed also turned off the stab trim[1]. The problem is that you couldn't turn off MCAS separately from the fly-by-wire trim c
by unscaled 5y ago
The Ethiopian Airlines crew that crashed also turned off the stab trim[1]. The problem is that you couldn't turn off MCAS separately from the fly-by-wire trim control, so you could either have fly-by-wire with MCAS or manual trim control without it.
Unfortunately for the Ethiopian Airlines crew, they were too late. By the time they set the stabilizer trim to CUT OUT, MCAS already pushed the plane nose down too much and they couldn't manage them manual controls, which were pretty hard to use under extreme conditions[2].
I'm not an expert or even an amateur, but the engineering issue I see here is that Boeing really left no contingency plan for a catastrophically failing AoA sensor on take-off. You can't turn off MCAS directly, and the recommended indirect method for turning it off require skills that many (most?) commercial airline pilots are not trained for.
The worst thing, of course, is that the Lion Air crew that crashed wasn't even aware of MCAS. The 737 MAX manuals made no mention of it.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_302 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_302
[2]: https://www.cliffordlaw.com/boeing-faa-knew-manual-stab-trim-was-unlikely-at-high-speed-but-failed-to-warn-after-lion-air/ https://www.cliffordlaw.com/boeing-faa-knew-manual-stab-trim...
- WalterBright 5y agoI know they turned off the trim. They turned it off when the airplane was too far nose down. They had successfully brought it back to normal trim with the electric trim switches, which had overridden MCAS. Then, the trim gets turned off. The 3rd crew that survived had no idea MCAS existed. All they knew was misbehaving trim => turn it off. They also had repeatedly used the electric trim switches to return trim to normal. Then they turned it off. This procedure was documented in an Emergency Airworthiness Directive sent to all MAX pilots, including the EA crew. The only skill required was to use the electric trim switches to restore normal trim, which all three crews did, and then turn it off. The point is, it is not necessary to know why the trim is misbehaving, it was only necessary to know how to turn it off. Emergency procedures are like this - they're not debugging procedures, they're about regaining control. Save the debugging for the mechanics on the ground. P.S. the LA crew restored normal trim 25 times, and never did turn it off.