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You think if folks did that on a regular basis, there would have been a noticeable contribution reduction. At that point, it becomes a person management issue a

by cebert 5y ago

You think if folks did that on a regular basis, there would have been a noticeable contribution reduction. At that point, it becomes a person management issue and either the situation should be corrected or the person be let go.

bee_rider 5y ago
In this case the person appears to be looking forward to being in an environment where they can be more easily managed.
- 2spicy4me 5y ago
  I’m the person you’re taking about. I want an environment where I can more easily manage myself. A coworking space would even be an improvement. I might have misread your emphasis on being managed by others, but it’s not what I meant.
  - bee_rider 5y ago
    I guess I view it as something where both parties contribute -- the manager does some managing, people are to some extent independent, it is all about figuring out what mix works. It looks like "being managed" has some negative connotation but I didn't mean to put it there!
- bckr 5y ago
  And that sounds bad, but there's another argument that gets thrown around: "why should I greatly invest myself in this business, when to the business I'm just a number". "Being managed" could also be called "outsourcing executive function"--make your manager think about what you're supposed to be doing. Reserve that executive function for what you love, your escape plan, or whatever.
  - granshaw 5y ago
    Bingo. Many people at a certain point have figured out they’re fine (or have to) be a rat, but they’ve had enough of the race. Just do a decent job while preserving as much of your mental energy as you can for your family and your actual life
  - bee_rider 5y ago
    Oh -- FWIW I didn't mean for "more easily managed" to have some negative implication. I dunno. On some grander level, I know companies mostly just see us as numbers, but (and perhaps I've been lucky) most of the managers I've had have been basically nice folks, some have even given good career development device (some of which seemed much more beneficial to me than the company).
    - bckr 5y ago
      Right on. And I bet those nice folks did a good job of taking executive function burden off your back :-)

by cebert 5y ago

bee_rider 5y ago

In this case the person appears to be looking forward to being in an environment where they can be more easily managed.

2spicy4me 5y ago
I’m the person you’re taking about. I want an environment where I can more easily manage myself. A coworking space would even be an improvement. I might have misread your emphasis on being managed by others, but it’s not what I meant.
- bee_rider 5y ago
  I guess I view it as something where both parties contribute -- the manager does some managing, people are to some extent independent, it is all about figuring out what mix works. It looks like "being managed" has some negative connotation but I didn't mean to put it there!
bckr 5y ago
And that sounds bad, but there's another argument that gets thrown around: "why should I greatly invest myself in this business, when to the business I'm just a number". "Being managed" could also be called "outsourcing executive function"--make your manager think about what you're supposed to be doing. Reserve that executive function for what you love, your escape plan, or whatever.
- granshaw 5y ago
  Bingo. Many people at a certain point have figured out they’re fine (or have to) be a rat, but they’ve had enough of the race. Just do a decent job while preserving as much of your mental energy as you can for your family and your actual life
- bee_rider 5y ago
  Oh -- FWIW I didn't mean for "more easily managed" to have some negative implication. I dunno. On some grander level, I know companies mostly just see us as numbers, but (and perhaps I've been lucky) most of the managers I've had have been basically nice folks, some have even given good career development device (some of which seemed much more beneficial to me than the company).
  - bckr 5y ago
    Right on. And I bet those nice folks did a good job of taking executive function burden off your back :-)