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>RIM definitely needs to get out of this market If RIM gets out of this market I think they're done. The next generation is going to be about ecosystems. Apple

>RIM definitely needs to get out of this market If RIM gets out of this market I think they're done. The next generation is going to be about ecosystems. Apple, Amazon, Microsoft and Google are all offering seamless access to their data, through their cloud offerings, across a wide range of devices. More than ever people are going to be using a single brand or OS just because it is easier, which is what post-pc devices are all about. There won't be many that will have a RIM phone and have an iPad or Amazon tablet just because data management will be a pain.

calebmpeterson 15y ago
I very much agree with this. The interesting effect is platform lockin because of unportable data. In the 90s and 00s plaftform lockin was a function of the availability of software on specific platforms. Now it's data... Will there be services for porting data between platforms?
- technoslut 15y ago
  >Will there be services for porting data between platforms? All of these companies, except Google, will do their best to block it until governments intervene. Even with Google allowing this, it will be extremely difficult to do so and virtually no one will go through the effort. What if a third party app you use doesn't exist for the device you want to switch to? Even in regards to carriers the average user considers it a bigger headache to switch carriers than to stay where they are, even though they're unhappy. Humanity, regardless of their plight, having difficulty adapting to change.
  - click170 15y ago
    Full disclosure, I live in Canada-land, not the UK. My perception has been that contracts with telecoms providers is largely a North American phenomenon, or at least, isn't as prevalent in the UK. IIUC, pay as you go is the big thing over there.. if only it would catch on here as well maybe people wouldn't consider it such a pain to switch carriers.
zmmmmm 15y ago
> The next generation is going to be about ecosystems. Exactly. They have probably missed the boat, but I think the right path for them would have been to create enterprise grade Android devices with special features (better encryption, phone integration, BBM, etc). There is a very decent space there to be exploited - and they tried - but doing it on their own was always going to a high risk venture. They at least should have hedged their bets. I'm kind of shocked to see that in the end with the Playbook they went with such a generic manufacturer that Amazon was able to walk in and say "we'd like to order one of those too". That tells me they basically ordered off the shelf and had little proprietary input in to the hardware design. Which in turn says that RIM has no core differentiating expertise there and thus is essentially doomed to compete in the commodity hardware space - but attempting to do so at premium prices.

calebmpeterson 15y ago

I very much agree with this. The interesting effect is platform lockin because of unportable data. In the 90s and 00s plaftform lockin was a function of the availability of software on specific platforms. Now it's data... Will there be services for porting data between platforms?

technoslut 15y ago
>Will there be services for porting data between platforms? All of these companies, except Google, will do their best to block it until governments intervene. Even with Google allowing this, it will be extremely difficult to do so and virtually no one will go through the effort. What if a third party app you use doesn't exist for the device you want to switch to? Even in regards to carriers the average user considers it a bigger headache to switch carriers than to stay where they are, even though they're unhappy. Humanity, regardless of their plight, having difficulty adapting to change.
- click170 15y ago
  Full disclosure, I live in Canada-land, not the UK. My perception has been that contracts with telecoms providers is largely a North American phenomenon, or at least, isn't as prevalent in the UK. IIUC, pay as you go is the big thing over there.. if only it would catch on here as well maybe people wouldn't consider it such a pain to switch carriers.

zmmmmm 15y ago

> The next generation is going to be about ecosystems. Exactly. They have probably missed the boat, but I think the right path for them would have been to create enterprise grade Android devices with special features (better encryption, phone integration, BBM, etc). There is a very decent space there to be exploited - and they tried - but doing it on their own was always going to a high risk venture. They at least should have hedged their bets. I'm kind of shocked to see that in the end with the Playbook they went with such a generic manufacturer that Amazon was able to walk in and say "we'd like to order one of those too". That tells me they basically ordered off the shelf and had little proprietary input in to the hardware design. Which in turn says that RIM has no core differentiating expertise there and thus is essentially doomed to compete in the commodity hardware space - but attempting to do so at premium prices.