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I was thinking about the exact same thing. I lost most respect for him in that fiasco. He even said he'd stake his reputation on it, so I guess it's appropriate

I was thinking about the exact same thing. I lost most respect for him in that fiasco. He even said he'd stake his reputation on it, so I guess it's appropriate.

dogecoinbase 5y ago
We should take the man at his word: https://twitter.com/patio11/status/1241553311024603140 https://twitter.com/patio11/status/1241553311024603140 > I am materially wrong about the most consequential thing I've had to have a view on in 15 years. You should probably degrade your estimate of my ability to think through complex problems.
- aikinai 5y ago
  Yes, that was the wording! I couldn’t find the Tweet so I forgot exactly how he phrased it. And yes, that’s exactly what I did.
- panarky 5y ago
  Until he publicly reckons with how he got it so wrong, and what he's changed about his reasoning process as a result, we should degrade our estimate of his ability to think through complex problems.
  - tomnipotent 5y ago
    Why does he owe you something? Should he similarly find every other topic he's been wrong about and make sure to offer apologies and postmortems on his failures? The dude works at Stripe, not someplace influencing government or health policies.
    - panarky 5y ago
      He doesn't owe me anything. I'm just following his advice and reducing my confidence in his ability to reason about how the world works.
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tomnipotent 5y ago
He didn't punch a toddler in the face. He was wrong about something in some tweets that probably reached an audience smaller than a mediocre college football game, I don't see how that obligates him to apologize or otherwise prostrate himself.
- nawgz 5y ago
  > He didn't punch a toddler in the face. If your defense of someone has to start with such a hilarious strawman, it might be an indicator you're defending something not worth your time.
  - tomnipotent 5y ago
    Says the group arguing about someone being wrong on the internet about nothing of importance. https://xkcd.com/386/ https://xkcd.com/386/
    - nawgz 5y ago
      This discussion itself is of nothing important. However, that doesn't preclude it from being a place where moral relativity exists and can be debated. I am not sure I understand your assumption that the importance of a claim or discussion is related to whether it can be morally judged.
      - tomnipotent 5y ago
        Doesn't mean there's value to it. This is a perfect example of manufactured moral outrage, justified post-hoc. The onus is on the outrage to justify it, not on the accused to defend against it. In this context, someone was expecting another person to exhibit a particular response to earn redemption based on an absolutely benign incident. At a certain point, the yelling just becomes tedious and unproductive regardless of the philosophical value of debate and discussion. "I'm outraged because someone was wrong and no one was hurt and no harm was done" is just hubris.

I was thinking about the exact same thing. I lost most respect for him in that fiasco. He even said he'd stake his reputation on it, so I guess it's appropriate.

dogecoinbase 5y ago

We should take the man at his word: https://twitter.com/patio11/status/1241553311024603140 https://twitter.com/patio11/status/1241553311024603140 > I am materially wrong about the most consequential thing I've had to have a view on in 15 years. You should probably degrade your estimate of my ability to think through complex problems.

aikinai 5y ago
Yes, that was the wording! I couldn’t find the Tweet so I forgot exactly how he phrased it. And yes, that’s exactly what I did.
panarky 5y ago
Until he publicly reckons with how he got it so wrong, and what he's changed about his reasoning process as a result, we should degrade our estimate of his ability to think through complex problems.
- tomnipotent 5y ago
  Why does he owe you something? Should he similarly find every other topic he's been wrong about and make sure to offer apologies and postmortems on his failures? The dude works at Stripe, not someplace influencing government or health policies.
  - panarky 5y ago
    He doesn't owe me anything. I'm just following his advice and reducing my confidence in his ability to reason about how the world works.
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tomnipotent 5y ago

He didn't punch a toddler in the face. He was wrong about something in some tweets that probably reached an audience smaller than a mediocre college football game, I don't see how that obligates him to apologize or otherwise prostrate himself.

nawgz 5y ago
> He didn't punch a toddler in the face. If your defense of someone has to start with such a hilarious strawman, it might be an indicator you're defending something not worth your time.
- tomnipotent 5y ago
  Says the group arguing about someone being wrong on the internet about nothing of importance. https://xkcd.com/386/ https://xkcd.com/386/
  - nawgz 5y ago
    This discussion itself is of nothing important. However, that doesn't preclude it from being a place where moral relativity exists and can be debated. I am not sure I understand your assumption that the importance of a claim or discussion is related to whether it can be morally judged.
    - tomnipotent 5y ago
      Doesn't mean there's value to it. This is a perfect example of manufactured moral outrage, justified post-hoc. The onus is on the outrage to justify it, not on the accused to defend against it. In this context, someone was expecting another person to exhibit a particular response to earn redemption based on an absolutely benign incident. At a certain point, the yelling just becomes tedious and unproductive regardless of the philosophical value of debate and discussion. "I'm outraged because someone was wrong and no one was hurt and no harm was done" is just hubris.