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And it's not fraud for an employer to arbitrarily control pay based on someones location? Is their revenue similarly confined by that employees contributions be
by tomnipotent 5y ago
And it's not fraud for an employer to arbitrarily control pay based on someones location? Is their revenue similarly confined by that employees contributions because of location?
- thebean11 5y agoNo? You may not like it but it's very obviously not fraud by any definition.
- tomnipotent 5y agoNeither is the inverse. If company can pick arbitrary locations around the world to be their HQ, or Trump can use Mar-a-Lago as his residence, then so too can every other citizen following the law and paying their taxes.
- thebean11 5y agoMaybe you are right, but that's a lot less obvious to me.
- tomnipotent 5y agoAs individuals, we're much more sensitive to the idea of breaking the law than a corporation well-protected by legal counsel and indemnity.
- tick_tock_tick 5y agoOne is legal the other isn't.... This isn't hard you would be committing fraud no questions. Also depending on how you've lied you'd also be on the hook for tax issues to the government rather then just and issue with your company.
- tomnipotent 5y agoDid you miss? > every other citizen following the law For criminal fraud to happen, there has to be a defrauded party. If I follow my local tax laws and negotiate a better salary with a corporation based on Location A, while potentially living elsewhere at Location B/C/D for prolong periods of time with lower costs of living, that is not fraud.
- tick_tock_tick 5y agoGetting the company to enter into a contract under false pretenses is fraud. "intent to deceive" is alone enough. This isn't some kind of gotcha where your technically ok if you do X and Y. Intent matters! Two parties entered a contract with the understand you would live in location A if you don't that's fraud objectively. https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/what-is-contract-fraud.html https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/what-is-contr... https://www.findlaw.com/smallbusiness/business-laws-and-regulations/fraudulent-misrepresentation.html https://www.findlaw.com/smallbusiness/business-laws-and-regu... https://www.upcounsel.com/intent-to-deceive-contract-law#:~:text=Contract%20fraud%20happens%20when%20a,an%20agreement%20under%20false%20pretenses https://www.upcounsel.com/intent-to-deceive-contract-law#:~:....
- tomnipotent 5y agoThe only thing that matters is the legal definition of residence for the location I'm paying taxes.
- tshaddox 5y agoWell no, that’s not fraud. I’m not using “fraud” to mean “bad.” I’m talking about actual fraud.
- tomnipotent 5y agoNo, it's not tax fraud. Tax is between you and the government, not you and your employer. The U.S. even allows you to ask your employer not to deduct tax so you can deal with it personally. If you follow whatever local and state laws apply to your situation, you're perfectly in your right.
- dmoy 5y agoThe topic is not tax fraud though?
- tomnipotent 5y agoI didn't bring up taxes, I'm just responding to it. The topic is whether a global corporation with access to a global workforce should be allowed arbitrary salary negation privileges because of the circumstances of a candidates geographical circumstances, while robbing the candidate of the same privilege. Just sounds like another way to exploit labor at a time of record profit windfalls for corporations.
- erik_seaberg 5y agoA dev in Mountain View has many more high-paying opportunities than the same guy in Weed, CA (pop. 2,862). Google pays him more because that’s what it takes to retain him. Someday if most employers switch to remote-first, this won’t matter and salaries will be equal everywhere (a lot lower than we’ve seen in tight labor markets, and probably the first world in general).
- mdoms 5y agoNo that's obviously not fraud. Words have meanings.
- tomnipotent 5y agoFraud is defined as wrongful or criminal deception that results in financial or personal gain. A company telling me my worth is based on where I live at that exact moment definitely feels like wrongful deception intended for financial gain.