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Which is interesting because it’s getting warmer and the conditions have proven muddy so roads are being used more which is a choke point. China is the leading

Which is interesting because it’s getting warmer and the conditions have proven muddy so roads are being used more which is a choke point. China is the leading superpower I guess.

csours 5y ago
China is the superpower they share a land border with, and are least ideologically distant compared to other powers.
- newsclues 5y ago
  I think it’s interesting that China could dictate the timing to Russia.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > I think it’s interesting that China could dictate the timing to Russia. It's not the 70s anymore. China is far stronger than Russia, and going forward Russia will be extremely dependent on them, because of sanctions for the Ukraine invasion. IMHO, China's likely going to be able to turn Russia into a vassal.
    - jacknews 5y ago
      This would be a very unwelcome development for western countries. But it makes sense for China; why bark yourself, when you have a nuclear poodle?
- dathinab 5y ago
  > least ideologically distant Far more ideological distant then you might think. The current Russia has nothing to do with communism, it's all about oligarchs and authoritarian capitalism. China's ideology "hates" oligarchs, but they are also authoritarian, and have common opposition so working together makes sense. But that's it. Besides "authoritarian" they share very little in common wrt. there ideology.
edgyquant 5y ago
China isn’t a superpower
- munk-a 5y ago
  Are you arguing that super powers don't exist in the modern world or just that China doesn't qualify as one?
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    I think the poster means China doesn't qualify as one. I'll take that position. China hasn't achieved superpower status. It hasn't chosen to take the necessary risks.
  - soneil 5y ago
    I don't think we really have a good definition of a superpower that fits the modern world. But I think it's a fair claim that China currently lacks (or appears to lack) the force projection required to fit the traditional description.
    - munk-a 5y ago
      I think it's unreasonable to argue that China isn't a regional power since it's bullying its way through the South China Sea without any local resistance - I think the fact that the US isn't opposing China in this in any sort of meaningful way sort of reinforces the argument that they may be a super power. However, I find the strongest argument as to their super-power-ness to be their extreme infrastructure investments in south asia (Gwadar Port in particular but also their various investments in Ceylon and the Red Sea) and Africa. China is working hard to establish a monopoly on rare earth mineral extraction. However, due to the astronomical amount of military spending the US continues to commit to I think it's fair to argue the point. China might have been a super power in the 80 with this level of global investment - but the US is just going into orbit.
      - edgyquant 5y ago
ProAm 5y ago
China has been the world's superpower for the last 12 years.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  Why 12 years? By superpower what are you measuring to determine this?
  - ProAm 5y ago
    They are the most powerful and influential country on earth currently. America has economic inertia, but cannot win wars anymore with the most well funded and technically advanced military, and they no longer make things (largely). They had a good run but this is sunset for USA and sunrise for China (which started decades ago but I feel matured after the last fiscal crisis the US had in the late 2000's. America won't be over tomorrow, just like the Britain wasn't forgotten overnight after they lost their global superpower status 100 years ago.
    - ipaddr 5y ago
      Are they the most influential country? Their media exports are extremely small and their cultural influence doesn't extend globally. They don't gather respect by creating peace, they don't gather respect through charity. Militarily they are not the most advance or spend to that level. China isn't the largest economy yet. They say they could overtake the US by 2030
      - ProAm 5y ago
        > Are they the most influential country? I believe they are in terms of economy, supply chain, economic future growth. > China isn't the largest economy yet. Personally I think this is done deal and just a matter of time, like global warming, its not complete, but clearly on the path.
    - pixl97 5y ago
      US can win 'wars' just fine. In mere days we wipe every piece of hardware a country has off the map. We cannot win occupations and the police actions we commit to because the win condition is not a military one.

Which is interesting because it’s getting warmer and the conditions have proven muddy so roads are being used more which is a choke point. China is the leading superpower I guess.

csours 5y ago

China is the superpower they share a land border with, and are least ideologically distant compared to other powers.

newsclues 5y ago
I think it’s interesting that China could dictate the timing to Russia.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > I think it’s interesting that China could dictate the timing to Russia. It's not the 70s anymore. China is far stronger than Russia, and going forward Russia will be extremely dependent on them, because of sanctions for the Ukraine invasion. IMHO, China's likely going to be able to turn Russia into a vassal.
  - jacknews 5y ago
    This would be a very unwelcome development for western countries. But it makes sense for China; why bark yourself, when you have a nuclear poodle?
dathinab 5y ago
> least ideologically distant Far more ideological distant then you might think. The current Russia has nothing to do with communism, it's all about oligarchs and authoritarian capitalism. China's ideology "hates" oligarchs, but they are also authoritarian, and have common opposition so working together makes sense. But that's it. Besides "authoritarian" they share very little in common wrt. there ideology.

edgyquant 5y ago

China isn’t a superpower

munk-a 5y ago
Are you arguing that super powers don't exist in the modern world or just that China doesn't qualify as one?
- ipaddr 5y ago
  I think the poster means China doesn't qualify as one. I'll take that position. China hasn't achieved superpower status. It hasn't chosen to take the necessary risks.
- soneil 5y ago
  I don't think we really have a good definition of a superpower that fits the modern world. But I think it's a fair claim that China currently lacks (or appears to lack) the force projection required to fit the traditional description.
  - munk-a 5y ago
    I think it's unreasonable to argue that China isn't a regional power since it's bullying its way through the South China Sea without any local resistance - I think the fact that the US isn't opposing China in this in any sort of meaningful way sort of reinforces the argument that they may be a super power. However, I find the strongest argument as to their super-power-ness to be their extreme infrastructure investments in south asia (Gwadar Port in particular but also their various investments in Ceylon and the Red Sea) and Africa. China is working hard to establish a monopoly on rare earth mineral extraction. However, due to the astronomical amount of military spending the US continues to commit to I think it's fair to argue the point. China might have been a super power in the 80 with this level of global investment - but the US is just going into orbit.
    - edgyquant 5y ago

ProAm 5y ago

China has been the world's superpower for the last 12 years.

ipaddr 5y ago
Why 12 years? By superpower what are you measuring to determine this?
- ProAm 5y ago
  They are the most powerful and influential country on earth currently. America has economic inertia, but cannot win wars anymore with the most well funded and technically advanced military, and they no longer make things (largely). They had a good run but this is sunset for USA and sunrise for China (which started decades ago but I feel matured after the last fiscal crisis the US had in the late 2000's. America won't be over tomorrow, just like the Britain wasn't forgotten overnight after they lost their global superpower status 100 years ago.
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    Are they the most influential country? Their media exports are extremely small and their cultural influence doesn't extend globally. They don't gather respect by creating peace, they don't gather respect through charity. Militarily they are not the most advance or spend to that level. China isn't the largest economy yet. They say they could overtake the US by 2030
    - ProAm 5y ago
      > Are they the most influential country? I believe they are in terms of economy, supply chain, economic future growth. > China isn't the largest economy yet. Personally I think this is done deal and just a matter of time, like global warming, its not complete, but clearly on the path.
  - pixl97 5y ago
    US can win 'wars' just fine. In mere days we wipe every piece of hardware a country has off the map. We cannot win occupations and the police actions we commit to because the win condition is not a military one.