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We have not seen what the Germany Army is capable of since 80 years ago. Does Putin really want to find out what has changed since then?

oblio 5y ago
The German Army isn't capable of much at the moment. And even if it were, no NATO member will set foot in Ukraine while this war and the following insurgency are happening. What will happen is, depending on how hard Putin pushes, the reaction will be just as strong. More attacks targeting civilians? More weapons sent to Ukraine. Harder sanctions, with actual teeth. I wouldn't be shocked if by next winter 60%+ of the gas supply for Western Europe will be covered from other vendors, more or less bankrupting Russia (a huge percentage of Russian exports are raw materials, primarily oil and gas).
- ghostwriter 5y ago
  > I wouldn't be shocked if by next winter 60%+ of the gas supply for Western Europe will be covered from other vendors, more or less bankrupting Russia you will be shocked to discover that Russia is going to fuel China's economy instead [1] [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-28/gazprom-paves-way-to-new-china-gas-deal-as-sanctions-hit-russia https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-28/gazprom-p...
  - cmurf 5y ago
    Possible, but risky for China to do that. A dollar buying Chinese made goods, is a dollar China has to buy Russian oil products, is a dollar Russia has to pay soldiers and build more weapons to bomb whoever they're bombing. I'm in favor of global free trade, but not without limits. The U.N. Charter is more important. The non-violent multilateral institution of resolving disputes is too important. Anyone outside that arrangement is calling to past demons. And for what? What does China gain by being seen as funding Russia's war effort?
  - oblio 5y ago
    The Chinese are not kind masters.
    - sterlind 5y ago
      CCP is at least sane and thinks long-term. They don't want nuclear war, at least. I'd honestly feel relieved if Xi were pulling Putin's puppet strings at this point.

oblio 5y ago

The German Army isn't capable of much at the moment. And even if it were, no NATO member will set foot in Ukraine while this war and the following insurgency are happening. What will happen is, depending on how hard Putin pushes, the reaction will be just as strong. More attacks targeting civilians? More weapons sent to Ukraine. Harder sanctions, with actual teeth. I wouldn't be shocked if by next winter 60%+ of the gas supply for Western Europe will be covered from other vendors, more or less bankrupting Russia (a huge percentage of Russian exports are raw materials, primarily oil and gas).

ghostwriter 5y ago
> I wouldn't be shocked if by next winter 60%+ of the gas supply for Western Europe will be covered from other vendors, more or less bankrupting Russia you will be shocked to discover that Russia is going to fuel China's economy instead [1] [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-28/gazprom-paves-way-to-new-china-gas-deal-as-sanctions-hit-russia https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-28/gazprom-p...
- cmurf 5y ago
  Possible, but risky for China to do that. A dollar buying Chinese made goods, is a dollar China has to buy Russian oil products, is a dollar Russia has to pay soldiers and build more weapons to bomb whoever they're bombing. I'm in favor of global free trade, but not without limits. The U.N. Charter is more important. The non-violent multilateral institution of resolving disputes is too important. Anyone outside that arrangement is calling to past demons. And for what? What does China gain by being seen as funding Russia's war effort?
- oblio 5y ago
  The Chinese are not kind masters.
  - sterlind 5y ago
    CCP is at least sane and thinks long-term. They don't want nuclear war, at least. I'd honestly feel relieved if Xi were pulling Putin's puppet strings at this point.