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> There were plenty of reasons they would have hoped to be able to do this all on a modest budget. Indeed NATO certainly expected Ukrainians to just surrender.
by jopsen 5y ago
> There were plenty of reasons they would have hoped to be able to do this all on a modest budget.
Indeed NATO certainly expected Ukrainians to just surrender.
Which is probably why they didn't get a no-fly-zone, strategic ambiguity, or other things like that from the US and friends.
- pydry 5y agoThat might have had more to do with the threat of nuclear war. The west isnt going to sacrifice itself to save kyiv.
- jopsen 5y ago> That might have had more to do with the threat of nuclear war It's not clear we would have risked nuclear war by selling discounted cruise missiles to Ukraine. But the Ukrainians might have used them prematurely, or surrendered without a fighting chance. Or the US could have just deployed 50k troops to Poland and said "we might interfer in Ukraine". Then Putin might never have invaded. Instead the US said, they would not interfere.
- dragonwriter 5y ago> Indeed NATO certainly expected Ukrainians to just surrender. NATO expected (and AFAICT, still expects) Ukraine to be defeated if Putin attacked and wasn't dissuaded by the resulting sanctions from pressing the attack. I don't think they were expected to just surrender.