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He was militantly anti-gay rights and anti-gay marriage. I'm not familiar with the rest of his conservative views, but I don't find much iconoclastic or liberta

He was militantly anti-gay rights and anti-gay marriage. I'm not familiar with the rest of his conservative views, but I don't find much iconoclastic or libertarian in there- he was a standard-issue Republican in the GWB era

hunterb123 5y ago
Democrats were commonly anti gay marriage as well. Obama was anti-gay marriage in 2008. But I believe you're wrong about his view on that anyway.
- Forgeties79 5y ago
  “Anti-gay marriage” isn’t the same as “not pushing for gay marriage.” Both are evil and unfair to the LGBT community, to be clear, but I find it pretty disingenuous to “both sides” that issue in the late 2000’s, especially as democrat states one after the other were legalizing it.
aerostable_slug 5y ago
He was pro-gay marriage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhTge9k1gmQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhTge9k1gmQ And pro-gay rights: > I'm so conservative that I approve of San Francisco City Hall marriages, adoption by same-sex couples, and New Hampshire's recently ordained Episcopal bishop. Gays want to get married, have children, and go to church. Next they'll be advocating school vouchers, boycotting HBO, and voting Republican. — "I Agree With Me" (July/August 2004) Are you sure you're referring to the same P.J. O'Rourke?
- ghaff 5y ago
  It's also entirely possible to be pro-gay marriage in 2004 and anti in the 1980s. Certainly a ton of people fit that description. That said, I've probably read most of his books and I don't remember him talking about gay rights one way or the other though who knows what stereotypes he wrote about that simply didn't register 25+ years ago?
  - scythe 5y ago
    Being anti-gay-marriage in the 1980s would make you wrong, but it wouldn't make you a Republican. Don't-ask-don't-tell and DOMA were both implemented by Bill Clinton, after all. On the other hand, inventing the term "Republican Party Reptile" probably makes you a Republican. Because, like, you know.
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hunterb123 5y ago

Democrats were commonly anti gay marriage as well. Obama was anti-gay marriage in 2008. But I believe you're wrong about his view on that anyway.

Forgeties79 5y ago
“Anti-gay marriage” isn’t the same as “not pushing for gay marriage.” Both are evil and unfair to the LGBT community, to be clear, but I find it pretty disingenuous to “both sides” that issue in the late 2000’s, especially as democrat states one after the other were legalizing it.

aerostable_slug 5y ago

He was pro-gay marriage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhTge9k1gmQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhTge9k1gmQ And pro-gay rights: > I'm so conservative that I approve of San Francisco City Hall marriages, adoption by same-sex couples, and New Hampshire's recently ordained Episcopal bishop. Gays want to get married, have children, and go to church. Next they'll be advocating school vouchers, boycotting HBO, and voting Republican. — "I Agree With Me" (July/August 2004) Are you sure you're referring to the same P.J. O'Rourke?

ghaff 5y ago
It's also entirely possible to be pro-gay marriage in 2004 and anti in the 1980s. Certainly a ton of people fit that description. That said, I've probably read most of his books and I don't remember him talking about gay rights one way or the other though who knows what stereotypes he wrote about that simply didn't register 25+ years ago?
- scythe 5y ago
  Being anti-gay-marriage in the 1980s would make you wrong, but it wouldn't make you a Republican. Don't-ask-don't-tell and DOMA were both implemented by Bill Clinton, after all. On the other hand, inventing the term "Republican Party Reptile" probably makes you a Republican. Because, like, you know.
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