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what does historical motivations mean? nationalist maybe, although ultimately even that aims at economic growth.

by jdrc 5y ago

danans 5y ago
> what does historical motivations mean? Being known and remembered as the person/people who changed the course of history or shifted the global narrative in one way or another. That's a pretty powerful motivation, that drives a lot of people who have tremendous power, not just the Russian president.
- jdrc 5y ago
  Interesting. Though, after the 20th century i m not sure which person/people would believe there is anything left to try. the USSR had a teleology, communism. Putin's russia dream is a vengeful restoration of nationalist glory. the russian society is poor though, dispersed in a huge country, not motivated, not a "fascio", not very united, it s hard to imagine them rallying behind putin to conquer the world like hitler did. He does command a very very large army, but disconnected from people.
  - danans 5y ago
    > Though, after the 20th century i m not sure which person/people would believe there is anything left to try. The same things can be tried again. There's no rule against historical motivations repeating themselves. Imperialism and colonialism have re-emerged many times under different names and implementation details. I agree that ordinary Russians may not back his motivation, but ordinary Russians like you said are relatively poorer than their neighbors to the west, and whatever standard of living they have is provided in good part by the Russian oil and gas industry (10% of GDP and 50% of exports [1]), which is controlled by the Russian government. So while they may not have much a stake in their President's ambitions, they don't have many alternatives either. 1. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Oil-Gas-Share-Of-Russias-GDP-Dropped-To-15-In-2020.html https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Oil-Gas-S...

what does historical motivations mean? nationalist maybe, although ultimately even that aims at economic growth.

by jdrc 5y ago

what does historical motivations mean? nationalist maybe, although ultimately even that aims at economic growth.

> what does historical motivations mean? Being known and remembered as the person/people who changed the course of history or shifted the global narrative in one way or another. That's a pretty powerful motivation, that drives a lot of people who have tremendous power, not just the Russian president.

jdrc 5y ago
Interesting. Though, after the 20th century i m not sure which person/people would believe there is anything left to try. the USSR had a teleology, communism. Putin's russia dream is a vengeful restoration of nationalist glory. the russian society is poor though, dispersed in a huge country, not motivated, not a "fascio", not very united, it s hard to imagine them rallying behind putin to conquer the world like hitler did. He does command a very very large army, but disconnected from people.
- danans 5y ago
  > Though, after the 20th century i m not sure which person/people would believe there is anything left to try. The same things can be tried again. There's no rule against historical motivations repeating themselves. Imperialism and colonialism have re-emerged many times under different names and implementation details. I agree that ordinary Russians may not back his motivation, but ordinary Russians like you said are relatively poorer than their neighbors to the west, and whatever standard of living they have is provided in good part by the Russian oil and gas industry (10% of GDP and 50% of exports [1]), which is controlled by the Russian government. So while they may not have much a stake in their President's ambitions, they don't have many alternatives either. 1. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Oil-Gas-Share-Of-Russias-GDP-Dropped-To-15-In-2020.html https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Oil-Gas-S...