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Nuclear armageddon almost happened multiple times in the past. To think it can’t happen is a necessary step in ensuring that it does.

black_puppydog 5y ago
Huh? The inversion (assuming it can happen) doesn't protect you... so I wouldn't call it "necessary". Edit Otherwise you end up with a nice contradiction: "how could this happen?! I was assuming it could happen, so it really shouldn't have!
- NikolaNovak 5y ago
  the inversion may be necessary but not sufficient condition. I don't think you've exposed a logic flaw in OP statement (we can still discuss whether we grant them the premise)
matja 5y ago
And those are the ones that we know about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov
- catpea 5y ago
  I just added couple more, here are the video versions: Stanislav Petrov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7EmLf4Xlq0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7EmLf4Xlq0 Oleg Antonovich Gordievsky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yprpoPc2g0k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yprpoPc2g0k Vasili Arkhipov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLokpu4ixQE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLokpu4ixQE According to some comments "The Collapse Of Communism: The Untold Story" is a movie about Oleg Antonovich Gordievsky and there is a book "The Spy and the Traitor." And Stanislav Petrov has a movie as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTFUqnY3E3Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTFUqnY3E3Q
  - yesenadam 5y ago
    The Petrov movie you linked to, The Man Who Saved The World (2014) is a very good documentary. In it, among other things, Petrov meets his favourite actor, Kevin Costner, who asks him how many people would have died had he followed orders. Petrov says, everybody. Also he gets an award at the UN and visits a US missile silo. With reenactments of him saving the world. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2277106/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2277106/
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black_puppydog 5y ago

Huh? The inversion (assuming it can happen) doesn't protect you... so I wouldn't call it "necessary". Edit Otherwise you end up with a nice contradiction: "how could this happen?! I was assuming it could happen, so it really shouldn't have!

NikolaNovak 5y ago
the inversion may be necessary but not sufficient condition. I don't think you've exposed a logic flaw in OP statement (we can still discuss whether we grant them the premise)

matja 5y ago

And those are the ones that we know about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov

catpea 5y ago
I just added couple more, here are the video versions: Stanislav Petrov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7EmLf4Xlq0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7EmLf4Xlq0 Oleg Antonovich Gordievsky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yprpoPc2g0k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yprpoPc2g0k Vasili Arkhipov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLokpu4ixQE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLokpu4ixQE According to some comments "The Collapse Of Communism: The Untold Story" is a movie about Oleg Antonovich Gordievsky and there is a book "The Spy and the Traitor." And Stanislav Petrov has a movie as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTFUqnY3E3Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTFUqnY3E3Q
- yesenadam 5y ago
  The Petrov movie you linked to, The Man Who Saved The World (2014) is a very good documentary. In it, among other things, Petrov meets his favourite actor, Kevin Costner, who asks him how many people would have died had he followed orders. Petrov says, everybody. Also he gets an award at the UN and visits a US missile silo. With reenactments of him saving the world. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2277106/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2277106/

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