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I don't understand why people just don't believe Russia is being literal with their intentions. They said multiple times they don't want Ukraine, they just don'

I don't understand why people just don't believe Russia is being literal with their intentions. They said multiple times they don't want Ukraine, they just don't want NATO to be able to invade them by land. I'd you assume this is true, what they are doing make complete sense.

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dragonwriter 5y ago
> I don't understand why people just don't believe Russia is being literal with their intentions They are. You are just listening to the wrong articulation of their intentions. > They said multiple times they don't want Ukraine, They have said multiple times that they do want Ukraine, view it's separation from Russia as a crime against Russia and Russians committed by those in the past with control over Russia in the form of the Soviet Union, and Russian state media even released than silently deleted a premature victory announcement for the current invasion declaring the establishment of a new union state of all the Russias (Russia [Great Russia], Ukraine [Little Russia]< and Belarus.) Now, that's not what they emphasize to the international community, but they have been saying it.
- causi 5y ago
  * Russian state media even released than silently deleted a premature victory announcement for the current invasion declaring the establishment of a new union state of all the Russias (Russia [Great Russia], Ukraine [Little Russia]< and Belarus.)* Do you have more information about this?
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-state-news-published-an-article-saying-russia-defeated-ukraine-2022-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-state-news-published... > A Russian state-run news agency prematurely published an article that said Russia has taken back Ukraine. > "Ukraine has returned to Russia," said the article, which ran on RIA Novosti and has since been taken down. "The West sees the return of Russia to its historical borders in Europe."
    - glogla 5y ago
      The full text is even better. Talks about "solving the Ukrainian question" which sounds like a direct reference to Hitler's "Final Solution to Jew Question" or whatever that was called.
      - Paradigma11 5y ago
        https://thefrontierpost.com/the-new-world-order/ https://thefrontierpost.com/the-new-world-order/
ceejayoz 5y ago
> I don't understand why people just don't believe Russia is being literal with their intentions. That's very reasonable. https://www.npr.org/2022/01/10/1071766987/u-s-russia-dicuss-ukraine-can-diplomacy-help-avoid-a-military-confrontation https://www.npr.org/2022/01/10/1071766987/u-s-russia-dicuss-... > Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov emerged from the nearly eight hours of talks and declared, "There are no plans or intentions to attack Ukraine." He went on to say, "There is no reason to fear some kind of escalatory scenario." That was, quite clearly, a lie, as they'd already massed 100,000 troops near Ukraine.
- megous 5y ago
  As to the "no plans" part: https://www.facebook.com/otueast/photos/pcb.668374907921586/668363911256019 https://www.facebook.com/otueast/photos/pcb.668374907921586/...
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astrange 5y ago
Except for when they said they were going to "show them real decommunization", kill everyone in government, that it didn't deserve to be a country and they should reform the Russian Empire, sure. It seems that whether this succeeds or fails it'll actually increase their land borders with NATO.
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jnwatson 5y ago
Russia has had a land border with NATO since 2004 when Latvia joined. That simply doesn’t compute.
rodgerd 5y ago
I guess you also missed Putin characterising Lenin's actions post-revolution as a mistake, and that the Russian Empire should move back to its pre-USSR borders? Or the prepared article that was mistakenly published crowing about the "final solution to the Ukrainian problem"? Your selection of what to believe as the honest truth is pretty telling.
Paradigma11 5y ago
Because there is a plethora of reasons given that you can choose from. Denazification of the jewish russian speaking president. Lawrow: Ukraine wants to aquire nukes and russia must prevent this. Propably trolling. Half hearted false flags operations: Bombed car where the suspect was arrested the day before. Bombed out building with months old trees in it.... The aforementioned NATO ambitions of ukraine. ukraine was denied membership 14 years ago and things look even more impossible now with the territorial conflict about the crimea. Paradoxically russia is making ukraines medium term NATO membership more likely by solving the crimea conflict. Russia wants to unite all Rus and everything else is just a smokescreen. Putin has given some rather 19th century speeches to that effect and there was this article that was published and then quickly taken down in some state owned newspaper (i think) https://thefrontierpost.com/the-new-world-order/ https://thefrontierpost.com/the-new-world-order/ Pretty scary stuff.

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dragonwriter 5y ago

> I don't understand why people just don't believe Russia is being literal with their intentions They are. You are just listening to the wrong articulation of their intentions. > They said multiple times they don't want Ukraine, They have said multiple times that they do want Ukraine, view it's separation from Russia as a crime against Russia and Russians committed by those in the past with control over Russia in the form of the Soviet Union, and Russian state media even released than silently deleted a premature victory announcement for the current invasion declaring the establishment of a new union state of all the Russias (Russia [Great Russia], Ukraine [Little Russia]< and Belarus.) Now, that's not what they emphasize to the international community, but they have been saying it.

causi 5y ago
* Russian state media even released than silently deleted a premature victory announcement for the current invasion declaring the establishment of a new union state of all the Russias (Russia [Great Russia], Ukraine [Little Russia]< and Belarus.)* Do you have more information about this?
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-state-news-published-an-article-saying-russia-defeated-ukraine-2022-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-state-news-published... > A Russian state-run news agency prematurely published an article that said Russia has taken back Ukraine. > "Ukraine has returned to Russia," said the article, which ran on RIA Novosti and has since been taken down. "The West sees the return of Russia to its historical borders in Europe."
  - glogla 5y ago
    The full text is even better. Talks about "solving the Ukrainian question" which sounds like a direct reference to Hitler's "Final Solution to Jew Question" or whatever that was called.
    - Paradigma11 5y ago
      https://thefrontierpost.com/the-new-world-order/ https://thefrontierpost.com/the-new-world-order/

ceejayoz 5y ago

> I don't understand why people just don't believe Russia is being literal with their intentions. That's very reasonable. https://www.npr.org/2022/01/10/1071766987/u-s-russia-dicuss-ukraine-can-diplomacy-help-avoid-a-military-confrontation https://www.npr.org/2022/01/10/1071766987/u-s-russia-dicuss-... > Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov emerged from the nearly eight hours of talks and declared, "There are no plans or intentions to attack Ukraine." He went on to say, "There is no reason to fear some kind of escalatory scenario." That was, quite clearly, a lie, as they'd already massed 100,000 troops near Ukraine.

megous 5y ago
As to the "no plans" part: https://www.facebook.com/otueast/photos/pcb.668374907921586/668363911256019 https://www.facebook.com/otueast/photos/pcb.668374907921586/...

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astrange 5y ago

Except for when they said they were going to "show them real decommunization", kill everyone in government, that it didn't deserve to be a country and they should reform the Russian Empire, sure. It seems that whether this succeeds or fails it'll actually increase their land borders with NATO.

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jnwatson 5y ago

Russia has had a land border with NATO since 2004 when Latvia joined. That simply doesn’t compute.

rodgerd 5y ago

I guess you also missed Putin characterising Lenin's actions post-revolution as a mistake, and that the Russian Empire should move back to its pre-USSR borders? Or the prepared article that was mistakenly published crowing about the "final solution to the Ukrainian problem"? Your selection of what to believe as the honest truth is pretty telling.

Paradigma11 5y ago

Because there is a plethora of reasons given that you can choose from. Denazification of the jewish russian speaking president. Lawrow: Ukraine wants to aquire nukes and russia must prevent this. Propably trolling. Half hearted false flags operations: Bombed car where the suspect was arrested the day before. Bombed out building with months old trees in it.... The aforementioned NATO ambitions of ukraine. ukraine was denied membership 14 years ago and things look even more impossible now with the territorial conflict about the crimea. Paradoxically russia is making ukraines medium term NATO membership more likely by solving the crimea conflict. Russia wants to unite all Rus and everything else is just a smokescreen. Putin has given some rather 19th century speeches to that effect and there was this article that was published and then quickly taken down in some state owned newspaper (i think) https://thefrontierpost.com/the-new-world-order/ https://thefrontierpost.com/the-new-world-order/ Pretty scary stuff.